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Hear ye, hear ye!

We couldn't be happier to announce that Kingdom Come: Deliverance II and its Gold Edition are coming DRM-free to GOG this Spring!

It's time to start preparing for Henry's next adventures in this potentially GOTY-worthy RPG from our friends at Warhorse Studios.

Ready to crown your library with this beautiful creation and keep it forever? Because we sure are!
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SCAwJos: One could even argue including it only contributes to the authenticity as a whole. Not applauding them for it, but at the same time I can respect the balls for not shying away from rather uncomfortable facts.
I believe all characters in KCD are aged up above 18. Or else we're all literally watching animated CP during romance scenes (would be enough for bans across the west). I don't believe any studio can even legally depict these things unless they just strongly hint at it.
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Xeshra: It does not matter what "she is", instead what she is attracted to.
True, and to quote this line again, she can always "rediscover herself".
Post edited February 11, 2025 by botan9386
There was some examples of real "tomboy"-women for a pretty long time, they was even considered nerdy; but at some point they turned pretty feminine... so changes are possible but it usually takes a long time and is never "granted". A personality is usually either changed very slow or... in many cases it may never change.

It is surely way easier just to change or clean someones clothes... and even losing weight is a easy matter compared to changing a personality.
Post edited February 11, 2025 by Xeshra
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SCAwJos: One could even argue including it only contributes to the authenticity as a whole. Not applauding them for it, but at the same time I can respect the balls for not shying away from rather uncomfortable facts.
That ain't shit, many in entertainment media dev have taken pot shots at catholicism and christianity. Let's see them crack jokes about one of the two protected faiths, then we'll talk balls.
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SCAwJos: One could even argue including it only contributes to the authenticity as a whole. Not applauding them for it, but at the same time I can respect the balls for not shying away from rather uncomfortable facts.
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FarklesDoggo: That ain't shit, many in entertainment media dev have taken pot shots at catholicism and christianity. Let's see them crack jokes about one of the two protected faiths, then we'll talk balls.
Wasn't necessarily referring to priests taking advantage of their position even back in the day (nothing wrong with calling that out), but more so on the fact of people in the Middle Ages generally becoming sexually active (willing or unwilling, see the afore mentioned child brides for instance) at a younger age and not shying away from referencing it.
Post edited February 11, 2025 by SCAwJos
Good morning, all :-).

Well, it's morning here ;-).

Just thought I'd post this, for some balance. I'm no fan of woke content in games, but an open mind is also essential, to assess things on an individual level.

I have wishlisted KCD II, because I am able to make-up my own mind about what is relevant in any given situation.

I'm not looking for a debate here and this will be my only post, just wanted to offer my thoughts and, like I said, post this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPnrCCfQPI8
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Xeshra: Feminine, not lesbian...
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botan9386: But Henry and Hans are also the types of guys who wouldn't like men yet they were changed rather easily. I'm just on the position that it's weird both ways narratively if we've already established who these characters are.
In my mind, from what we know, strict "gay" was not socially acceptable in the middle age, although there was examples of "undefined" = bisexual relationships and as long as the matter was not pretty clear to the public usually they turned a blind eye on it. I think bisexuality is a pretty old and actually always in some way "apparent" preference at any age of humankind... although in many cases it was either pretty hidden or at least not "made public".

People can change, but in usual very slowly. Sure, there are examples of peoples at some point "turning gay or lesbian"... which was up to this point hetero, Albeit, usually this is a pretty long process which can take a lot of years... so there is not such a thing such as "a sudden switch".... and many other stuff surely can change way faster or with a way higher probability. I still do think that many humans are not very strictly defined with the sexuality they love, but instead, most of their preference is "socially shaped". So, i think "bisexuality" is not a rare preference... as many humans are able to become sexually attracted to a equal gender in certain cases. However... the social acceptance is playing a huge role and in most cases "we do not even dare to cross some critical boundaries", as we simply care "the others opinion" and the expected "normality" to much.
Post edited February 11, 2025 by Xeshra
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botan9386: But Henry and Hans are also the types of guys who wouldn't like men yet they were changed rather easily. I'm just on the position that it's weird both ways narratively if we've already established who these characters are.
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Xeshra: In my mind, from what we know, strict "gay" was not socially acceptable in the middle age, although there was examples of "undefined" = bisexual relationships and as long as the matter was not pretty clear to the public usually they turned a blind eye on it. I think bisexuality is a pretty old and actually always in some way "apparent" preference at any age of humankind... although in many cases it was either pretty hidden or at least not "made public".
Exactly why I think most people wouldn't have any problems with "the gay" being present in KCDII, if it would have been portrayed through other (new) characters, and not retroactively attributed to established ones, like Henry and Hans.

Wasn't enough for Deep Silver obviously.

Probably because they didn't want to go all the way and show how homosexuals would have been dealt with in 1403 a.d., if come to light.
Well, the truth is, politics is shaping our video games in many cases; and in general... as more mainstream a game becomes, as bigger the "risk" of having political influence there. I do not want to judge it, as i do not always need to place my judgement on certain things; just stating a fact, with unknown outcome or preference.
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SCAwJos: ...if it would have been portrayed through other (new) characters, and not retroactively attributed to established ones...
This is what truly annoys people. Diversity has never turned away gamers until it started changing established media or becoming a requirement rather than just being there.

Games like LOU2 and KCD2 are still technically successful in spite of backlash, but they still will have lost 100s of thousands of potential buyers over the decision to include unnecessary changes...And for what reason? I saw tweets from the Warhorse CEO bragging about how the KCD2 refunds from disappointed fans haven't mattered because they still profited. Or that dissuaded buyers can seeth at their 200k concurrent players.

I can't fault his attitude entirely, as the other side would probably do the same. Questions is how this affects Warhorse going forward.
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Xeshra: ...as more mainstream a game becomes, as bigger the "risk" of having political influence there...
It can't be escaped anymore. At some point everyone in the industry started wanting to send a message (both sides).
Post edited February 11, 2025 by botan9386
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turtasarata: you're dismissed, but as a favor to you as a human, I'll tell you this, look up golden ratio
Hehe, typical ignorant science denier. Don’t worry, I’m very well aware of what the golden ratio is. However, I’ve also found that people who unironically use phrases like 'the connectedness of the universe' and 'macro-cosmos laws of attraction' usually have no idea what it actually is. They’ve just listened to some woo guru wax poetic about it, seen some images and gone "Ohhhh, pretty!" .

If I wrote φ = (1+√5)/2 = 1.618033988..., or (a+b)/a = a/b = φ, you’d have no clue what it means. Nor would you understand why we see approximations of the golden ratio in nature. Actually, what we most often see is not the golden ratio, but the Fibonacci numbers, which converges on the golden ratio. But I guess your guru of choice never told you that. Hint: There’s a perfectly natural explanation for it, no mysticism or spiritualism required. (it would require knowing a little bit of mathematics and how evolution works, but, ehh, I guess that would be expecting too much from you. Just look at the colours, man!).

Oh, and by the way - no, you are dismissed!
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botan9386: Or maybe we just stop romance options in games altogether.
I support that motion. I never really got why more and more games nowadays must have such romance options, or sexuality. Unless it is a Japanese dating simulator I guess. Yes I am blaming you too Half-life 2 (+episodes), Alyx drooling over the player was totally unneeded and cringey. Yes, crinGEY.

I didn't need to know about Garrett's sexuality in Thief 1-2. Maybe he had a slight crush on Victoria in the first game, who knows for sure, but look what she did to him in the end! Never trust wimin. Garrett might have been gay for all I care, the game didn't have to point it out either way.

One could claim that it is quite normal for RPGs to have romance options and even sex... but then I recall finishing Ultima 7 and Ultima Underworld without constantly having to decide which of the party members or NPCs I am going to fuck next, as if that was somehow relevant to the rest of the game.

I just want to kill people, not to have sex with them!
Post edited February 11, 2025 by timppu
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timppu: I didn't need to know about Garrett's sexuality in Thief 1-2. Maybe he had a slight crush on Victoria in the first game, who knows for sure, but look what she did to him in the end! Never trust wimin (+1). Garrett might have been gay for all I care, the game didn't have to point it out either way.
You know what, if I go through my memory I can recall multiple little moments where the sexuality of characters was becoming more and more of a theme and back then we were scratching our heads at why any of this was relevant, but it just kept going. Well...years later and we have RPGs like Baldur's Gate 3 which are glorified porn-games, if we're being honest. It's a role-playing game, yes, but it's also an interactive porn game.
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timppu: I just want to kill people, not to have sex with them!
Puritan! /s
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botan9386: You know what, if I go through my memory I can recall multiple little moments where the sexuality of characters was becoming more and more of a theme and back then we were scratching our heads at why any of this was relevant, but it just kept going. Well...years later and we have RPGs like Baldur's Gate 3 which are glorified porn-games, if we're being honest. It's a role-playing game, yes, but it's also an interactive porn game.
Have we come to an age where (if) someone releases a RPG without any romances and/or sex, that leaves gamers puzzled:

"Yeah it was kinda cool I guess... but where was all the relationship and sexuality stuff? It felt weird without, aren't those the cornerstones of RPG games? I mean, that is what it stands for, RomanticPornGames, doesn't it?".
Post edited February 11, 2025 by timppu
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timppu: Have we come to an age where (if) someone releases a RPG without any romances and/or sex, that leaves gamers puzzled:

"Yeah it was kinda cool I guess... but where was all the relationship and sexuality stuff? It felt weird without, aren't those the cornerstones of RPG games? I mean, that is what it stands for, RomanticPornGames, doesn't it?".
Lol, today was the day RPGs learned they were the real (non) Japanese Dating Sim's all along.
Some first impressions:


https://youtu.be/Zj5Xsr2So3w