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Maighstir: The "mark the images that resemble X" CAPTCHA can be both "I know that this is X, but I want to see if you know that it is X" and "I don't know that this is, so instead I'll have you teach me - is this X of not?", and the user shouldn't be aware of which question is being asked.

Propose that the language Svedsese use the single word baz for two concepts where the language Garninian has the separate words foo and bar. Given that the Garninian-developed CAPTCHA shows a mix of images, some of foo and some of bar and asks to select bar, Svedsese users would likely mark both kinds of pictures, while Garninian users probably would only mark images of bar. If Svedsese users are common enough, they may get the CAPTCHA software to learn that the images all show bar even if Garninian-speakers would say that some are not bar, because they are foo.

"bot" in my previous post refers to the CAPTCHA backend (I should have used a different word), not an automated user.
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kohlrak: Well, i understood that you didn't infer a bot, but, rather, i'm implying that you're implying for the potential of it, since we're responding to the fact that sometimes you also have to click something that is not what is depicted.
Yeah. Sometimes it says "click bar", and the software ha learned that some images are bar when they really depict foo. Either because enough people don't understand (eg. marking signposts when it asks to mark signs), a large enough language using the same word for two concepts, or a large enough set of users (automated or not) purposefully misteaching the software.

With reCAPTCHA v3, it'll look at usage patterns before the request rather than ask questions at the time of request, and since bots rarely are as random as humans in their movements and usage, that'll supposedly work.
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kohlrak: Well, i understood that you didn't infer a bot, but, rather, i'm implying that you're implying for the potential of it, since we're responding to the fact that sometimes you also have to click something that is not what is depicted.
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Maighstir: Yeah. Sometimes it says "click bar", and the software ha learned that some images are bar when they really depict foo. Either because enough people don't understand (eg. marking signposts when it asks to mark signs), a large enough language using the same word for two concepts, or a large enough set of users (automated or not) purposefully misteaching the software.

With reCAPTCHA v3, it'll look at usage patterns before the request rather than ask questions at the time of request, and since bots rarely are as random as humans in their movements and usage, that'll supposedly work.
The problem with that is, predicting randomness requires predicting the source. In other words, depending on the randomness we're talking about, it might be possible for a bot to use some generic pseudo-random number generator, and it'll go undetected until it's revealed. Using a large pool of pre-generated prime numbers, that could easily get unwieldy for google.
Yeah "CAPTCHA" Meaning Hold your PC for Ransom with never ending pictures of cars or street signs that ARE TOO BLOODY SMALL to see

This gave me a laugh though: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/225/253/7aa.png

I swear to god whoever thought up Captcha was sniffing either glue or Petroleum ore probably both.
Voted.

#FCKCRAPTCHA
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fr33kSh0w2012: Yeah "CAPTCHA" Meaning Hold your PC for Ransom with never ending pictures of cars or street signs that ARE TOO BLOODY SMALL to see

This gave me a laugh though: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/225/253/7aa.png

I swear to god whoever thought up Captcha was sniffing either glue or Petroleum ore probably both.
No, it's the usual arrogance of social planners: the idea that you can simply come up with an idea, 'cause we know human nature oh so well, that we can simply either control humanity, or predict humanity. We know machines have trouble identifying images, so why not? Another arrogantly conceived idea that failed. Maybe the determinists are right (and i really don't believe so), but we aren't anywhere close enough to do this kind of stuff.
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Maighstir: Yeah. Sometimes it says "click bar", and the software ha learned that some images are bar when they really depict foo. Either because enough people don't understand (eg. marking signposts when it asks to mark signs), a large enough language using the same word for two concepts, or a large enough set of users (automated or not) purposefully misteaching the software.

With reCAPTCHA v3, it'll look at usage patterns before the request rather than ask questions at the time of request, and since bots rarely are as random as humans in their movements and usage, that'll supposedly work.
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kohlrak: The problem with that is, predicting randomness requires predicting the source. In other words, depending on the randomness we're talking about, it might be possible for a bot to use some generic pseudo-random number generator, and it'll go undetected until it's revealed. Using a large pool of pre-generated prime numbers, that could easily get unwieldy for google.
I mean, if a bot started participating intelligently in conversations here, and giving actual reviews for games they bought, I wouldn't have much issue ranking them higher than some actual users.
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kohlrak: The problem with that is, predicting randomness requires predicting the source. In other words, depending on the randomness we're talking about, it might be possible for a bot to use some generic pseudo-random number generator, and it'll go undetected until it's revealed. Using a large pool of pre-generated prime numbers, that could easily get unwieldy for google.
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Maighstir: I mean, if a bot started participating intelligently in conversations here, and giving actual reviews for games they bought, I wouldn't have much issue ranking them higher than some actual users.
Maybe, but do you expect the new captcha to be that sophisticated? Do website owners have to report the bot and his obscure behavior for it to work? if so, what's to keep it from being abused and ultimately ruining it for everyone?
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Maighstir: I mean, if a bot started participating intelligently in conversations here, and giving actual reviews for games they bought, I wouldn't have much issue ranking them higher than some actual users.
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kohlrak: Maybe, but do you expect the new captcha to be that sophisticated? Do website owners have to report the bot and his obscure behavior for it to work? if so, what's to keep it from being abused and ultimately ruining it for everyone?
That was mostly hyperbole, but from the , [url=https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/docs/v3]documentation, and realising how much usage data Google already acquire, there's a fair chance they can reliably estimate who's a human and who's not.

But we'll see. I obviously don't know if GOG will switch from their current v2 at all.
Thing is its not really getting people to do what it asks its getting folks to hammer the things that vaguely look like it or really stand out, random quick fire is as likely to get it right in my experience. So if you are super carefully clicking on things maybe you get it right or wrong cause most people miss some traffic lights. That's ignoring the random changing of what is being asked so it switches from lights to crossing marks and you carry on clicking on lights. Irritated internet users the best problem solvers ever. Whatever the case when we are being hunted down by google bots to be put into the data extraction machines won't we all be glad that spam or whatever was kept to a minimum.
May be a bit hard to believe but I was once stuck with the captcha puzzle for over 20mins. I login only once a day right after work and it never appears however on weekends it's still a bit of a hassle.

I'll gladly take the Steam login method over this: Sends a code to my email > copy and paste in browser > done.
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Ganni1987: I'll gladly take the Steam login method over this: Sends a code to my email > copy and paste in browser > done.
Have you tried two-step login?
https://www.gog.com/account/settings/security
The captcha gone for me after I activated two-step login.
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Ganni1987: I'll gladly take the Steam login method over this: Sends a code to my email > copy and paste in browser > done.
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CervelloYM: Have you tried two-step login?
https://www.gog.com/account/settings/security
The captcha gone for me after I activated two-step login.
It is enabled but it doesn't make any difference. Two step only works when you access your account from a different location (or ip address). When you access it from an already saved location (such as your home) it doesn't have any effect but captcha still does.
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gogtrial34987: If you haven't yet, here's the wishlist entry to vote for" Nip google Captcha in the bud. And yes, super annoying that they hide support behind it!
Great, voting on wishes now also does not work with my browser. I can only hope their current web developers never touch the forum software.