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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=255861
Don't get your hopes up, he's still not sane, he just wants to sell MOST of a game in a box and make you pay extra for the rest...
So basically the same as what EA are trying with their offerings of additional DLC which adds to the base experience. Makes sense to me, of course the DLC hating crowd are bound to froth at the mouth.
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bansama: So basically the same as what EA are trying with their offerings of additional DLC which adds to the base experience. Makes sense to me, of course the DLC hating crowd are bound to froth at the mouth.

Yes, except he is upfront about the DLC not being extra content in addition to the full game, but actually content from the full game that has been removed specifically so they can charge for it as DLC.
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Wishbone: Yes, except he is upfront about the DLC not being extra content in addition to the full game, but actually content from the full game that has been removed specifically so they can charge for it as DLC.

And again, doesn't bother me. If it puts an end to whining about piracy, it's fine by me. Just as long as they don't do a Ubisoft and simply refuse to release that content on the PC...
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Wishbone: Yes, except he is upfront about the DLC not being extra content in addition to the full game, but actually content from the full game that has been removed specifically so they can charge for it as DLC.
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bansama: And again, doesn't bother me. If it puts an end to whining about piracy, it's fine by me. Just as long as they don't do a Ubisoft and simply refuse to release that content on the PC...

Just because someone are not as completely big bastards as someone else, that doesn't put them into the moral high ground, or suddenly make them good guys.
It still doesn't change the fact that you will now pay much more for a game than you did before. You may be okay with that, but I'm not.
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Wishbone: Just because someone are not as completely big bastards as someone else, that doesn't
put them into the moral high ground, or suddenly make them good guys.

Never said it did.
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Wishbone: It still doesn't change the fact that you will now pay much more for a game than you did before. You may be okay with that, but I'm not.

The prices of everything go up. That's just a given. The problem is it's taken far too long for some regions to catch up on this trend when it comes to games. So if you're now paying 40 to 50 for the base game and 10 to 20 for the DLC that provides more of the story, then so be it. No different really (when boiled down to basics) to when games concluded their stories in additional expansions.
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bansama: The prices of everything go up. That's just a given. The problem is it's taken far too long for some regions to catch up on this trend when it comes to games. So if you're now paying 40 to 50 for the base game and 10 to 20 for the DLC that provides more of the story, then so be it. No different really (when boiled down to basics) to when games concluded their stories in additional expansions.

To me, it sounds like what he wants to do is sell you a car with no seats, at full price mind you, and then charge you extra for each individual overpriced seat.
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Wishbone: Just because someone are not as completely big bastards as someone else, that doesn't put them into the moral high ground, or suddenly make them good guys.

A Chrurchill quote springs to mind: "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would at least make a favourable reference to the Devil". It seems that the ultimate "consumer friendly" version of the major publishers will be decided by whoever can't be bothered to be as big of a dick as ubisoft or activision
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Wishbone: It still doesn't change the fact that you will now pay much more for a game than you did before. You may be okay with that, but I'm not.
Thats assuming its not an ea style 'get it free with a new copy' arrangement. To be honest I got the opposite impression since he didn't mention it as a draw for buying a new copy and giving the impression of getting something for nothing is very important
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Aliasalpha: Thats assuming its not an ea style 'get it free with a new copy' arrangement. To be honest I got the opposite impression since he didn't mention it as a draw for buying a new copy and giving the impression of getting something for nothing is very important

Yes, I got the same impression.
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Wishbone: To me, it sounds like what he wants to do is sell you a car with no seats, at full price mind you, and then charge you extra for each individual overpriced seat.

Methinks you're being way to pessimistic.
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bansama: The prices of everything go up. That's just a given.

Apart from when they go down. Which is a given with older games that aren't made by Blizzard. There's also the fact that prices haven't risen in a decade now, if not longer.
Do you think that will happen with this DLC? And who do you think would be supplying this DLC? Most likely it will come from Codemasters directly and / or through services that let them have complete control over the price. So not only will the price go up, it will stay up.
Has the price of DLC ever gone down and stayed down? If so then it's the exception rather than the rule.
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Wishbone: To me, it sounds like what he wants to do is sell you a car with no seats, at full price mind you, and then charge you extra for each individual overpriced seat.
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bansama: Methinks you're being way to pessimistic.

Chalk it down to experience.
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Wishbone: Chalk it down to experience.

Actually, no I won't. As in my experience, this hasn't been as bad as everyone consistently makes it out to be with the sole exception of POP (and that's only because they then refused to even release it).
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Navagon: Apart from when they go down. Which is a given with older games that aren't made by Blizzard. There's also the fact that prices haven't risen in a decade now, if not longer.

Perhaps that's a given in your region. It's not here. Prices of new games go up. Old games rarely get a price drop. Even Activision's and Ubisoft's current pricing of $50 to $60 for a PC game is cheap by our current standards where the average price for a triple A title is $70 to $100. Only 1 such title has seen significant price drops (and that's the failure that is FFXIII).
As for the pricing of the DLC, we'll have to wait and see. But if it's sold over Steam, you can expect some form of discount at some point (at least in the case of Codemasters).
Post edited July 16, 2010 by bansama
One step closer to paying for a game interface and then paying a weekly/monthly/yearly fee to play. Killing the resale and moving all gaming online is the ultimate goal. Piracy has nothing to do with this nor will it stop piracy. It simply gives publishers tighter control of gaming which is needed to support the old business model.
Like the music industry , they spend millions to defeat "piracy". Copyright is in need of some changes as well.
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bansama: Perhaps that's a given in your region. It's not here.

Well no, but then it seems obvious that the PC market is being stifled in Japan. There's definitely some shady underhand deals going on somewhere to keep the market largely console-only. So the Japanese PC games market isn't really one you could use to set a precedent.