You do know there's no way to logically argue with religious fanatics (I made the mistake of trying) ;-p. Personally, most of the time I try to forget Steam even exists. FO:NW is not that great of a loss for me personally (Still waiting FO3:Goty to fall under 10$ outside steam), Civ5 however is as I've played the series from the begining (including all spinoffs). Civ4 and Civ4:Col will now probably be the last games I'll ever get to play from the series.

And don't you regret, that you will never try the fifth game? Just because of something, that wouldn't cause you any problems?
I mean, it is nice and great to stand for yourself and your opinions... but when those opinions don't have ground under them anymore, I fail to see the point...

If we you gave in to some other humans way of thinking,things will aways say the same and not turn in to what you hope them to be. I can live with out playing a few games. games are not that great of a deal i would die if i didn't happen to play some game i wanted to play but didn't thanks to something i dislike like steamworks.I have many older games i can play that don't use steamworks. Hell with the way things are going i find my self buying more older games. new games don't have that same ring to them as they used to do.
lack of demos drm a few trying to make me pay 60 bucks.Yeah i can live with out it. the only new game i spend 60 bucks on was dragon age origins. It was worth it.
There are very few games i would feel right about spending 60 bucks on with out playing a demo of it first.

Hummnn, Petrell's opinions have no ground under them yet . . . yours do . . . interesting.
The fact that you basically rent games from Steam is more than enough reason not to use the service. I won't try to convince you otherwise since you find no problems with installing DRM of several flavors on your system or with the restrictions imposed. Some of us have lost data, hardware and many hours of work to DRM . . both restoring our systems and recreating the work lost . . . several times . . . I was a slow learner . . . =)
Eventually, we will be playing all the games being released today, without DRM and at a fraction of the cost. Just as I am now playing The Witcher DRM free for a cost of $19. I will work my way through the games I have in the mean time . . . should be done in about five years if I work at it. I do enjoy the constant pitch for Steam though . . . =)

I agree, $60 is an obscene price for a digital download . . . forget about the DRM restrictions. . . =)

The decision by Firaxis/2k to make the game Steam exlusive is regrettable as they obviously don't care about non steam customers, however I don't regret my decision to not buy it. I haven't regretted it before (HL2, Empires: Total War), why should I start regretting it now? I most certainly would regret abandoning my principles more. Steam offers not a single feature I find usefull and has several features I'm against so why should I support such service? GOG.com and Gamersgate provide service I want, the way I want so why should I even bother to look on worse services? If enough of us vote with our wallet then just maybe Civ6 will not be Steam exlusive and even if not we take our money to services and developers we like so they can continue to provice services and develop games we like the way we like.

Am i the only one who thinks games with steamworks are overpriced ? And this case it's not just the publisher's fault.

I think that of most games on dd sites.
that much for a game with out a box,disk or any of the other stuff i loved about going out to the store and geting a box copy.

The $60 price tag for MW2 kept me from buying the PC version. That and I was just bitter because they nixed dedicated servers. :-P But typically the PC versions were maxing at $50. Bummed that they're now matching the console costs.

Yes, exactly. Steam is NOT the least intrusive DRM method they keep saying it is, it's much more intrusive than Securom and others, because it turns the games into a service that activates and starts not from your computer, but remotely, and can be shut down from you at any point without any explanation by Valve. You don't own anything, you are just leasing some hours of game time.

I have never had a problem with steam so this isnt really that bad

They haven't at all. It's still €=$ to them. It's very profitable for them. They won't change it.

Yes, I am always amaze how some peoples seems to have the weird "if I don't have any problem with it today then I will NEVER have any and I absolutely refuse to even remotely consider the possibility that it might ever change" philosophy.
I am sure there are some who might even, when they buy a new TV, immediately trash the invoice without caring for the warranty because after all if it works today then it will always work...
Steam might still be not very intrusive in it's current state, the problem is that there is absolutely no waranty it will remain that way, they can change anything they want in their policies at any time without having to notify anybody, heck things have already changed over the years, they started by adding different pricing, delayed release date, region restriction, etc... nobody knows what, if anything, might be next.

Honestly? I can't see Activision not license out Battle.net 2.0. I wonder if this forum will hate it as much as they presently do towards Steam.
Every frickin' time Steam comes up, we get a ten page long thread about how Steam is the antichrist of PC gaming. I thought that was Starforce?
The fact of the matter is this: Steam has a better public perception than GfWL and SecuROM. It also has the benefit of a system of selling DLC that is easier for the end user. We can debate on the merits or lack therof of DRM, the fact of the matter is that someone at Bethesda decided that their game will ship with DRM, and picked the major DRM that currently has the highest opinion amongst the general PC gaming public in general.
Anyway, I heard that the mod launcher that was bundled in with Fallout 3 effectively ignored SecuROM, GfWL and (for the Steam version) Steamworks. What are the odds of lightning striking twice? Especially considering their statement about modding.

I agree for the most part, I don't believe Steam would take my system down as other forms of DRM have but . . . I do believe that it could control or revoke your access to games that you have purchased . . . a circumstance that I cannot accept. . . =)
I don't mean to sound as if I am bashing Steam . . . it is just unacceptable to me. For many it it the perfect solution. I respect and understand that scenario. I agree with your opinion and believe that Steam will continue to nudge their DRM into an even more restrictive flavor. It is basically a watered down version of Ubisoft's DRM model it seems . . . wouldn't take much to make online a requirement . . . =)
Edit: And as you suggest, it could be done without your knowledge . . . updated so to speak . . .=)

The same people who claim games are not that big of a deal and skip out on their favorite games just because they use steamworks should use that same logic backwards and instead not make using steam a big deal and play their favorite games. Personally, that seems like the better deal. Personally, for me playing my favorite game and dealing with the negatives of steam (for which me don't even exist) far outweighs just never playing it at all.
I use the word *favorite* not really to describe fallout.. But I've heard a lot of people complain about Civ V being their favorite game and refusing to play it. What a loss for them I guess....