Yes show them there false ways are wrong and steam is right.

The point your trying to make here seens to fall on the games are the life blood for everyone if we didn't have them we all would be dead.
I will not go out to a store buy something that has ubisoft drm or uses steam on my favorite game series that will cost 60 bucks as well.Only to buy it and find out it sucks. I would of been much better off if i had stuck to my guns and not gotten the game in the first place.
it may be your favorite game series does not in any way at all mean the newest game in the series is any good.

On July 14, 2008, MDY was found guilty of Tortious Interference in Contract for enabling players to violate the EULA for WoW. You can't be found guilty of aiding the violation of an invalid contract. I have read on forums many times that EULAs don't stand up in court, but it's simply not true. They do as well as any other contracts, and stand or fall on their own specific merits.

You'd rather have GFWL? Are you people insane?
(Except the non Steam haters)

I been told that by many a paladin.Most of the time just before i killed them.

Yeah, because those are the only 2 options right? Fallout NV is a single player game so it doesn't need GFWL nor Steamworks for anything except achievements.
Let's see our options here:
- Impulse::Reactor: it isn't out yet but Stardock has given early access to key publishers so I'm sure that if Bethesda asked they would get it.
- Game exclusive achievements: like Mass Effect 2 and other EA games, you can see your unlocked achievements in-game and nowhere else.
- No achievements: who needs them? Prince of Persia 2009 had no achievements on the PC and was DRM free; I wish the game was any good though.
- GFWL: Fallout 3 made it so that you didn't NEED to create an online profile to play the game so other than installing the GFWL client to create a local profile you wouldn't authenticate with GFWL at all. Updates could be gotten through GFWL but were also released as stand-alone patches. DLC was sold outside of GFWL too.
- Steamworks: It offers achievements and DLC but comes at the cost of being DRM, requiring a client running, Internet connection most of the time, and it stops resale of the game.
Most of the times GFWL isn't better than Steamworks but if used like in Fallout 3 it could have been ignored completely. I don't see Steamworks being so easily ignored unless you crack the game.

Of course.
I don't have anything against GFWL, unlike Steam it's not mandatory to use it for single player games, I have something like 10 games using and I never had to create or even connect online to install/play any of them, for me it's a millionth time better than having to run Steam client every time I start the game and have to reactivate my games online every time I reinstall window or change my hardware.

'most of the time'? You mean once for the first time launch and then once in what... A month or two for verification, and as I said, I play games on my notebook with no internet connection for 6 months already: Yes, Steam games

Except games in GFWL ain't fully working when you don't have an account: Not to mention Dawn of War 2, eh.

Well thats not true. You can just create an offline profile unless GFWL is used as DRM which it wasn't in DOW2 and Fallout 3.

Except campaign in DoW2 didn't want to work unless I've had account created - and it seemed offline account didn't really work either
And I'm not even mentioning that the main 'thing' in DoW2 for me was it's awesome co-op, which you can't even legally PLAY in Czech Republic - yes, even thou it is sold and ... Ummm... Supported in Czech Republic.

Maybe for multi-player, but I never had any problems or limitation playing my GFWL games with an offline account.
EDIT: By curiosity what kind of problems did you had playing single player games with GFWL offline account ?
And for Dawn of War 2 I don't know because I never bought it because.... well you know... because it's a Steamwork using game.
(And having had the occasion of playing some time later, it's actually a game that I am glad that the DRM prevented me from buying it but that's another story...)

Absolutely I totally agree. Anyone using GFWL as a multiplayer client knowing they support about 1/3 of the world deserves all the flak they get.

I was kinda pissed that they decided to use GFWL AND Steamworks, but I didn't that get into the way of my enjoyment ... Funnily enough, it didn't prevent me from buying it and now I have a blast every time I play it with all the different builds and tactics they open up, I have finished it like 5 times already, and am currently finishing Chaos Rising for the second time :D Well, maybe that DRM works in out favor after all :D

Of course, GFWL for multiplayer games is absolute crap because it isn't even officially supported in most countries (I can play SF4 matches online just fine though). Fallout NV is a single player game and if GFWL would have been used like in FO3 then it was a superior choice than Steamworks by (arguably) far and there were other choices that were less intrusive to players and that allowed us the choice of where to buy.

So...what do people think of the promo videos? Anyone interested in the game?