I am so glad I just enjoy video games and don't even think about the politics that we have all created with our ridiculous what-if scenarios and our stubbornness. At the end of that day ya just gotta ask yourself why you play video games and go with the flow. If you really want to play FNV and hate Steam I say just suck it up and be happy enough you live in an age where traversing a post apocalyptic wasteland is possible without all the side-effects of actually traversing a post apocalyptic wasteland.

I know this is the wrong answer but wouldn't it just make more sense to look up and follow the very fair and clear rules Valve has and not really worry about getting your account banned?

So let me get this straight. You actually WANT to play FNV and you only use steam when you really have to and you actually USE steam to play CSS yet you won't use steam *when you really have to* even though you already use steam to play CSS which follows the same DRM logic that FNV uses. You realize why that sounds ridiculous right?

Also, go rage over steam here. Or, better yet, read trough the topic and notice how pointless it is
edit: Put the Steam link above so it doesnt look like aimed at Coelocanth
Ummm... No, this entire site is based on the assumption that optimising and selling old games is a good idea :D

Yet i bet you truest every xbox360 and ps3 gamer.Or do you not trusted them becurse they may pirate there games.
O yes you may want to look on the site your on for that is the dumbest thing i have ever seen put in to words.I have seen a lot of dumb things said, but you sir win the the grand dumbest thing ever said prize.Pc gamers can be trusted its just that you lack the faith.

For me the worst thing about the new fallout being on steamworks is that the price there remain unchanged for AGES. I am not going to pay 50 euros for it, that's for sure.

Eugh, I really hate steamworks DRM in games, gives steam a monopoly on that game in the digital distribution market, along with the other problems that steam may pose.
Hopefully i can still get it cheap retail at some point.
However, if this impedes modding, and the creation of applications like mod managers and script extenders, or developers don't work on them due disliking the steamworks drm, then i will not be buying this game until it's in the bargain bin.

HAHAHAHA!
Er, wait... you're serious?
HAHAHAHA!
Steam's DRM is nothing special at all. Steamworks games get cracked and released just as fast as anything else. Steam is a success because of the customer benefits it offers (auto patching etc.), not because of their weak DRM.

Hammerfall
To play Counter Strike Source you must use steam. The only other game I play on there is Saints Row 2 which forces you to only be able to play it on Steam. I bought Saints Row 2 not realising at the time Steam weould be so intrusive. I actually only just reinstalled Steam to see if this new version is better. So far it appears marginally improved. But the chat keeps crashing and I keep having to constantly relogin to the forums when I have already logged in.
So I might just uninstall Steam again this time forever. They are the only 2 games I have installed on Steam anyway so I won't be losing much. The only other reason why I use steam is because a friend of mine on there refuses to use any other chat IM program so I talk to her on there.
I think GoG should start a Sister Site to this one to rival Steam. Call it GNG. Good New Games. Have brand new games for sale DRM free by permission of the manufacturer of course, then have all the special deals and offers and competitive pricing to rival Offline physical and online Digital Download Retail Stores.
If iTunes can have legal brand new DRM free music, then why can't PC gamers have Brand new DRM free games and I believe the GOG team can be the people to achieve this. They already have a brilliant service here now and I can see them as being the leaders of the Future of DRM free Gaming. Good on you GOG.

The files will still be on your hard drive so you'll be free to crack the game or emulate steam. Those are your only options if you want to play the games you paid for if Steam decides to screw you over.
That's why before I buy any Steam game I verify that I can modify it to not require Steam....if I can't then I just don't buy it. I don't see NV being any different than any other game on Steam in this regard.

The primary selling point of GOG games is lack of DRM, period. Same reason I buy PDox own games from gamersgate as they aren't infested with any DRM. Obviously other things factor into purchase but DRM is first barrier that will make or break it.

Why not? I'm a pessimistic person by choice and I always think about the worse case scenario and what I'll do if I'm ever in one. I don't like to be still under another authority especially after I've paid for the games. I'm not heavy anti-Steam, I've gotten a number of games from Steam, mostly those on massive sale which happens to be games I've already owned on CD or games that already require Steam like Empire: Total War.
But one does wonder what will happen if the account gets banned or even the unlikely scenario that Steam closes down one day.

Thanks for the reply.

Err... No.
Most people are buying here because GoG is selling old games and I am pretty sure the idea to sell od games came BEFORE the retailer details. GoG really started out when DRM wasnt that big of a deal - I didnt even know what does it mean. The fact that all the worldwide PC DRM madness started about the time GoG started doesnt automatically make it primary reason most people buy here.
Seriously, people who dont give a damn about old games wouldnt buy a thing here. So yeah, it might be a selling point for you. But I am pretty sure it is not, and cannot be, a primary selling point for GoG - it wouldnt attract nearly as many people alone on the premise of "no DRM" as it does on the selling of old games, customised for modern hardware

+1
I for one would be buying games from GOG.com if they still had DRM. I didn't read "Good Old Games... WAIT NO DRM, SIGN ME UP." They already had me, because they had the nostalgic titles that I wanted to play again so badly, cheaply, and optimized for modern operating systems.
So, no, regardless of which site I'm on, I don't trust a lot of PC gamers to function properly for the industry without the use of DRM. This site is for hardcore classic gamers. We're not going anywhere. We'll be here supporting anyone that we feel is doing something good for the industry. WE are not who I'm worried about.

What in gods name makes you think these so call pc gamers you don't trust only play on the pc?

What does console piracy have to do with this? I never compared the two.

Mind telling us what you mean by PC gamers.