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bowlingotter: What does console piracy have to do with this? I never compared the two.

Yet you act like all pc gamers all thiefs who would steal anything they can get away with.
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Fenixp: ...

Having walked away from gaming once already . . . I would drop GOG immediately if they added DRM to their games. I know lots of folks don't mind DRM but for many . . . myself included . . . we don't use sites or services with DRM. Both opinions are valid but . . . I believe there are many GOG users that would walk away and . . . as many who would not blink if DRM were added since they have already embraced other DRM services.
I love old games and especially the great prices although there seems to be lots of $10 releases lately but . . . DRM would poison the site for me . . . =)
Post edited June 09, 2010 by Stuff
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Petrell: Could not care less and would prefer games not having them as any time spend on making them is taken from more important features. All so called community features are useless in single player games anyway.
agree
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Fenixp: GoG really started out when DRM wasnt that big of a deal - I didnt even know what does it mean. The fact that all the worldwide PC DRM madness started about the time GoG started doesnt automatically make it primary reason most people buy here.

The Securom and it's ilk era of DRM started back around 2000/2001. It's always been a big deal ..... for the people that give a crap about their games and their computers. The furor only really became noticeable though when they switched to activation based DRM instead of CD based DRM. People have been bitching about it looooooong before GOG.
If it wasn't a big deal already when GOG was created then they wouldn't have made a big deal out of not having DRM.
*sigh* the whole DRM debate again. We know for a fact there are people out there that are not prepared to pay anything for a game no matter how little it costs. You just have to look at the piracy that went on with the Humble Indie Bundle to see that. They could have paid $1 but no they still wanted it free. PC piracy may be easier than console piracy but both exist in large quantity. In fact a recent guesstimate by analysts say that PSP and DS piracy now vastly exceeds the amount on the PC.
DRM is nothing but a placebo for publishers as most freak out at the thought of games being completely unprotected even though it has never been proven that DRM lowers piracy rates. Until publishers come to realize that restrictive DRM does nothing except hurt paying customers then all we can hope is that the DRM used is as unintrusive as possible and given the options out there Steamworks is one of the better ones.
Speaking as someone that has had problems with Steam I am still prepared to live with it because I really don't like the alternatives which others like Ubisoft have been dabbling with. Companies do deserve to have their work protected in some way but not at the expense of the rights of the customer. In an ideal world there should be a middle ground we can all be happy with.
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Stuff: ...

Yes, it does matter for a big part of people here, but tell me honestly - what did lure you in? The old games for new systems or the absence of DRM?
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DosFreak: ...

All right, so it DID start sooner. Nevertheless, the massive boom for DRM hatred came with limited installations - yeah, StarForce sucked, but majority of games didnt use it at the time. And that is the only one I knew about at the time.
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Delixe: ...
Speaking as someone that has had problems with Steam I am still prepared to live with it because I really don't like the alternatives which others like Ubisoft have been dabbling with. Companies do deserve to have their work protected in some way but not at the expense of the rights of the customer. In an ideal world there should be a middle ground we can all be happy with.

In the ideal world, no one would steal software, therefore DRM wouldnt even start to exist :D
Post edited June 09, 2010 by Fenixp
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bowlingotter: What does console piracy have to do with this? I never compared the two.
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somrmtignw: Yet you act like all pc gamers all thiefs who would steal anything they can get away with.

It's been proven that there are a lot of people who will steal it if they can. Like Delixe pointed out, reference the Humble Indie Bundle. Even that was pirated.
As I said, people like us, on this site, who actually care, are not who I'm worried about. But there are enough people out there who don't care, and like it or not, we're all part of the same gaming community, so we all made our DRM beds here.
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bowlingotter: What does console piracy have to do with this? I never compared the two.
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somrmtignw: Yet you act like all pc gamers all thiefs who would steal anything they can get away with.

So if it makes you more comfortable, take "pc" out of that statement. There are enough gamers who are thiefs to warrant publishers experimenting with DRM, and Steamworks is one of the least intrusive.
If DRM is what publishers need to feel confident enough to continue releasing on the PC platform, I'll deal with it, and support the less-obtrusive of the ilk.
Post edited June 09, 2010 by bowlingotter
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Fenixp: Yes, it does matter for a big part of people here, but tell me honestly - what did lure you in? The old games for new systems or the absence of DRM?

Honestly, it was the "DRM FREE" . . . I had decided it was time to give up gaming . . . DRM, ridiculous prices, activation, activation limits, two dead DVD drives, two days to get the SecuRom null entries out of my registry (not necessarily in that order) . . . enough I said. I did backslide and paid $60 for Hellgate:London which just confirmed I had made the right decision . . . =)
If not for the No DRM I would not have even checked out the website.
Edit: I should add that my dislike of DRM is not strictly based on game DRM. Having your boot sector overwritten causing data loss and system rebuild or a program simply decide it is no longer a legal copy when it is etc. etc has been helpful in turning me sour. Adobe and MS are love / hate situations for me . . . =)
Post edited June 09, 2010 by Stuff
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Stuff: ...

And you know many people who joined for the same reason? Well in that case I may end up revaluating my opinion, since its based on many people who joined because of "old games" - then again, all people active on forums woulnt really give us picture of the reason whole community joined, so I guess Ill go over there to be ashamed of myself for a bit for presenting opinion based on minority as a fact :-)
Yay, now i have a reason to play it on my Ps3!
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Fenixp: . . .

lol . . . your opinion is valid. Most folks . . . myself included again . . . are here for the love of old games, prices, DRM Free and the great community or a combination of those reasons.
DRM was / is a major factor in my decision to purchase and participate here on GOG. I only wanted to speak up for those of us who value the DRM free nature of the GOG site.
I don't begrudge folks using DRM sites or purchasing DRM'd games . . . live and let live . . . I would be a Steam user if they dropped the DRM . . . =)
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Fenixp: In the ideal world, no one would steal software, therefore DRM wouldnt even start to exist :D

We already know that no matter the price of games there will always be a portion of players who will never pay for games. The real question is, is it worth companies inconveniencing paying customers in an attempt to make that portion of gamers pay for a game? IMO no. DRM only deters the casual pirate, the people who would have bought the game eventually anyway. DRM has no effect on someone who has no intention of paying for the game at all.
Post edited June 09, 2010 by Delixe
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Delixe: DRM has no effect on someone who has no intention of paying for the game at all.

Like my mom once said if they want it badly they will find a way to get it.It may take them a while but they will get it.
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Coelocanth: This entire site and the philosophy behind it is based on that assumption.
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Fenixp: Ummm... No, this entire site is based on the assumption that optimising and selling old games is a good idea :D
Also, go rage over steam here. Or, better yet, read trough the topic and notice how pointless it is

Who's 'raging' over Steam? I made a simple statement of fact: don't like Steam, won't use it. I'm not interested in bashing Steam and ranting about it. No 'rage' here.
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Coelocanth: ...

Sorry, that was a general statement, not aimed ad you - should have written it ABOVE the quote :-) As a matter of fact, I will go there and edit it so it is clear