That indoctrination, right there.

I'm amazed how quickly political propaganda became equal to teaching about politics. And I wonder how much would freedom of speech be minded if some student turned up with Ahmadinejad on his T-shirt. Or someone started to interrupt classes few times a day because of praying (not related to this news, though I know of few similar examples).

And this is why schools shouldn't be afraid of touching that kind of subjects. Because parents will always "indoctrinate" their children in some way. The school is a place where they can learn about diversity.

If they get to learn about politics or religion only from their parents, that's where fanatics, bigots and radicals come from. Because when they finally leave schools, they are so biased towards one option, they respond with aggression to everything that is new and contradictory to what they were forced to believe by their parents.
Your freedom ends when it's starting to interfere with somebody else's freedoms. I hope you understand the difference between wearing a t-shirt and forcing somebody to do something (leave the class because of the t-shirt, for example)

It''s a fucking t-shirt. What's the difference if I have "I LOVE DICKS" written on it or "I LOVE ROMNEY" ?

Being opressed for wearing a t-shirt. How familiar it sounds to "darker" times.

Also, again, because some of you don't understand. If a school's policy is "no political manifestos whatsoever" that's ok, and the teacher should ask the kid to change the clothes. But oppressing, mocking, humiliating the kid because of a t-shirt is SICK. But I guess since it's a Republican's parents kid, that's ok to bully them. Oh, and the kid is to blame, and the teacher is a victim here. How typical.

Because those same people who are screaming about the First Amendment (even though it doesn't apply here) would not be screaming the same tune if it said "I LOVE GAYS" or "I LOVE OBAMA". It's fucking hypocrisy, plus one. All of a sudden, these freedom-loving crusaders of free speech will be fighting to deem such t-shirts and statements as being disruptive, accusing the wearer of dragging politics into schools.

Both sides are as guilty as the other. At the end of the day, school is a place of learning, and that process is being disrupted by fanatics. I would say that my child's right to learn unhindered at school takes precedence over some religious nut's wish to use a school as a political recruitment site through their child.

Nobody can seriously tell me that this girl came onto the idea of opposing abortion all by herself. You can be quite certain that she got this from her parents.

That's what I'm saying. That every school should have policy like that. As for the mocking part. If you ask me any person that is so gullible that it will willingly wear on their clothes propaganda material of any political party should be made fun of.

Mom said it was a one-time thing, and she'd appreciate it if you'd stop sexting her those Furry pics.

Oh boy, that t-shirt was all for nothing.

So now that Romney has promised to not do that which she was rooting for him for, would she still theoretically vote for him?

I agree with you there. The joke was clearly improperly calibrated and caused harm. But, I remember having to come back to class pretty much immediately after I threw up in the middle of band class. Well, not immediately, I did go home until I was better, but I didn't get to take off additional time because of the embarrassment of puking in front of 90 other students.

And baseball bats really? I know you aren't suggesting that, but WTF is wrong with people. Yes, the teacher probably should have had to read the letter, but a violence isn't the solution to anything other than insufficient violence.

The talk of abortions in this thread reminded me of when one of the aliens on the Simpsons attempted to look like a human and run for president:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgrcotUpbww

Maybe. But we are discussing here about a situation that happened, and you are acting just like people you described would be likely to act.

Is it a good thing to jump on each other? I think Democrats, Liberals and all, should teach those barbarians that freedom equals diversity. And I would defend "I LOVE GAY" t-shirt the same way I'd defend I LOVE OBAMA / ROMNEY / ALLAH t-shirts. i believe this is the correct way to do. Not "but they would act the same or worse!!!" atitude. It's the kind of arguments that is described in Polish as "...but they beat negros in the US". It's not an argument at all. The 'argument' the other side is the same or worse is not a mature one.
As I've said... if bullying is initiated by a teacher, the kids in school are likely to follow. On a simple basis "the teacher made fun of him, so we can do that to, and it will be fun!". This is why baseball bats are aproprieate. If the teacher hasn't learned such basic principles during few years of university/college, the bat is the only way to implement that knowledge.
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By the way, it appears that Romney for the first time is ahead of Obama in voting polls. Obama will HAVE TO prepare better to the debate, because he's likely to loose if he doesn't improve his performance when teleprompters are off.

I agree in the sense that the teacher sets the tone and the students need to be able to trust that their concerns will be handled with respect. The baseball bat I won't agree with, I'm not sure if I'm even OK with it as a metaphor.

I haven't seen the previous debate yet, I really should, and yes the President will need to look more prepared. But from what I understand of the debate Romney engaged in the Gish Gallop. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop The polls themselves aren't going Romney's way, it was just the Pew poll following the debate. Unless that's changed. One poll when all the other ones from that week said something different isn't something I would give too much credence to. Now, if we start seeing polls regularly coming up with Romney as winning the electoral college, that I will worry about at that time.

Like I said, I'll need to see the debate to know for sure, but up until this point, Romney has had more bullshit than a Texas rancher.

The instant poll after the debate said Romney won, but new presidential polls published show that Romney is for the first time ahead of Obama.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/08/14300838-gop-optimism-rises-on-poll-showing-romney-ahead-of-obama?lite

Interestingly enough, I found this over at Fox. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/04/obama-didnt-lose-debate-romney-didnt-win/ It's a bit odd for me to see them not crowing for whomever the GOP candidate of the moment is. I'll have to take a look at your link.

EDIT: Oh, that, I read that a couple days ago. It's going to take more than that before I start worrying. Yes, it's a poll and I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand, but it's only one pole out of many that were taken that week. And it's the GOP was particularly energized after the debate.

You're obviously right. But if Obama's performance during the debates won't improve, you should be really worried. I'm not an expert, but I presume Biden has no chance with Paul Ryan, so it's all on Obama's shoulders.

And about your link - It doesn't matter what experts say. If 2/3 of the viewers think that candidate X won the debate, it means he won the debate. And the winner is starting to take credit for it with more Republican votes. At least it seems like it.