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Posted November 12, 2012
Try out the brilliant mix of RPG and tower defense, right here!

Monday surprise! Here's a browser based demo of Defender's Quest, a very succesfull attempt of splicing the tower defense and RPG genres, which is available on GOG.com for only $14.99.

[url=http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/defenders_quest][/url]Defender's Quest is complex, elaborate, well-polished, and on top of that--well written. You might think that this last part isn't all that much important in a tower defense title, but it actually is, as the whole game is story driven. However, it's only one of the reasons why Adam Smith of [url=http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/01/24/hours-of-towers-defenders-quest/" target="_blank]Rock, Paper, Shotgun[/url] calls it "brilliant" and confesses that his "mild aversion to tower defense has been completely shattered". The main reason for this game to invoke such enthusiasm is that it just keeps on delivering content, so once you pick it up, it's extremely difficult to put it down. With well-executed mechanics, clear visuals, a plethora of scenarios, and many outspoken characters, you'll be enjoying every single minute of it!

The game not only met with critical acclaim, but was also well received by GOG.com users. So, if you're still on the fence with Defender's Quest, you now have the perfect opportunity to see what your $14.99 gets you. The browser based demo below can easily provide you with a couple of hours of play, which is still but a small taste of things to come in the full version. It will also allow you to export your save-file and continue your adventure in the full game, so there won't be losing any progress! Just be careful! This one can make your Monday so much easier to handle, but also very unproductive.
Post edited November 12, 2012 by G-Doc
Posted November 12, 2012
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F4LL0UT: No comment yet? What's wrong here?
My guess would be: everyone is playing the demo, so It'll be a couple of hours before they get back to reality and post ;-)
Posted November 12, 2012
Also, you can export your save file from the demo into the full game! (when you inevitably buy it)
Posted November 12, 2012
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jamyskis: On a related note, the developer has posted a response to a critical review AS a review and given his own game five stars.

Not exactly a textbook example of integrity.
He was only responding to technical concerns regarding the game and clarifying the situation for anyone who may have read the critical review. He also clearly identified himself as the developer so I hardly think this is evidence of a lack of integrity.
Posted November 12, 2012
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sebarnolds: I must be blind but... where is the demo ?
As long as your browser is flash-enabled, it should be right under the newspost.
Post edited November 12, 2012 by G-Doc
Posted November 12, 2012
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G-Doc: As long as your browser is flash-enabled, it should be right under the newspost.
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jamyskis: The problem is that there is no link to the newspost in this forum thread.
There, fixed.
Posted November 12, 2012
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TurnipSlayerr: He was only responding to technical concerns regarding the game and clarifying the situation for anyone who may have read the critical review. He also clearly identified himself as the developer so I hardly think this is evidence of a lack of integrity.
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jamyskis: While I applaud his decision to respond directly, the forum would have been a much better...well...forum for this kind of feedback (given that the PM system doesn't allow users to be address directly without the use of the forum).

The way the dev has done it skews the average score of the game unfairly.
I understand your point of view, but many people do not visit the forums but are likely to see these reviews so it's important that they have the whole picture regarding these technical issues.

The one star critical review was, like the devs review, also not a statement on the quality of the game and was referring to technical concerns and warning other potential buyers of these. In my opinon, having these two reviews provide buyers with useful information from two sides and balance each other out in terms of the rating.
Posted November 12, 2012
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MrAlphaNumeric: Exactly. The dev has been extremely forth-coming and open about the game's behaviour under the hood to alleviate these concerns. No problems here.
The dev has obviously put a lot of work into this game and I respect his open communication and response to the community as well. I played the demo and it's good fun. Will definitely get it when I can squeeze it into my budget.
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yyahoo: I would agree with this; however, this response, "The game "phones home" only to send basic gameplay metrics, such as which levels people have reached, etc", still strikes a sour note for me. I don't like the idea of a game "phoning home" for any reason. "Game metrics" doesn't feel like a valid reason to me. I would prefer to play the game on my own without knowing that the game is sending my results to the dev. I also prefer to manually check for game updates instead of having the game do it without asking.

Of course, I'm a rather old fashioned gamer in that respect, so I'm sure my perspectives are not shared by that many. Still, I want to say that I appreciated the information posted by the reviewer that shared these concerns.

Maybe GOG needs to post this information to the game card to let people know that the game is communicating with the dev. When those type of things are done on Android phone apps, all the permissions are openly presented when the app is installed so that the user knows what the app is doing. Seems like this would be a good idea for PC games as well when this type of data activity is happening...
As the Dev said, this is an option which you can disable, although you still can't disable the automatic checking for updates. Perhaps you're right about including this information on the game card though.

I might talk with someone about this tomorrow. Will see what I can do about the reviews like those on DK 2 as well.

Cheers guys.
Posted November 13, 2012
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Kunovski: please check this out:

if you buy the game here (on GOG) and run it, there's a patch check. after running it yesterday I was told there is an update and if I wanted to download it.

I said yes of course, but the game downloaded a whole new (non-GOG) installer of the new version which can't be even used to update the already installed GOG version, you need to uninstall the GOG game and install the non-GOG version instead.

this probably is caused by the developer and their decision on how to deal with updating but couldn't you speak with them and ask if they could somehow implement this update process into an existing installation or something.

other than that, very cool and fun game!
That's...odd. I'll ask our team what's happening.
Posted November 13, 2012
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Kunovski: please check this out:

if you buy the game here (on GOG) and run it, there's a patch check. after running it yesterday I was told there is an update and if I wanted to download it.

I said yes of course, but the game downloaded a whole new (non-GOG) installer of the new version which can't be even used to update the already installed GOG version, you need to uninstall the GOG game and install the non-GOG version instead.

this probably is caused by the developer and their decision on how to deal with updating but couldn't you speak with them and ask if they could somehow implement this update process into an existing installation or something.

other than that, very cool and fun game!
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TheEnigmaticT: That's...odd. I'll ask our team what's happening.
The developers offered to handle the updates themselves and the game checks if a newer version is available on their server. If that's the case, it will ask you if you want to download it. Then it directs you to a folder with a new installer. You can run it to install the new version of the game atop of the new one (you don't have to uninstall the game). The new version is still a DRM-free game, so nothing really changes apart from the fixes and additional content provided by the devs.
Posted November 13, 2012
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Kunovski: actually, you can't

it offers you a path (like c:\program files\developer\Defender's Quest) so you point it into the place where you have your game installed, but the installer creates an additional folder inside (...Defender's Quest\DefendersQuest or something)

so, either you're lucky and you've named your installation folder of GOG version exactly the same as the devs intended (DefendersQuest) and you simply point the installation to only say c:\program files\developer, or you need to uninstall ;)
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Vitek: Yeah, this.
I made post about it in DQ specific forum few days ago. I had trouble with it and someone else too. It offers you default path (including Defender's Quest folder), but it installs inside it, creating new DefendersQuest folder. So I got new folder inside my "Defender's Quest" folder and new icon, named "DefendersQuest" as well. The previous one was "Defender's Quest."
So I had to manually copy updated files into game folder.
Huh? I did not notice that. Lemme consult with product department.
Post edited November 13, 2012 by G-Doc
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