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FraterPerdurabo: . However unlike what SimonG said, it's getting better and I'm enjoying the latter bits more than the first half (better level design)...
Now wait a second laddy!

Imo, the worst two missions are Berlin and the mine. (Which are the last two "normal" iirc, as I consider the last mission more as a bonus mission)

Manhattan had a very good pacing, and so did London. The Africa missions had at least some sort of opener level design (not much,just open courtyards, but still better than room after room).

Paris was soso and Prague was a bit better than Paris. The castle was really boring, as you just tagged along... well and then it really went downhill.

Also "storywise", the game pretty much falls apart after Prague. Whoops, the biggest war since WW2 is all of a sudden over.

My order, just SP.

MW>MW3>MW2>BOps

On a side note, I just finished the "new" Medal of Honor, and it is surprisingly good (SP)
Post edited November 21, 2011 by SimonG
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FraterPerdurabo: ...
Man... that just sounds like they really rushed it out the door. Okay, so CODBLOPS picked up some heavy criticism for letting you walk right through the game without firing a shot (apart from where you absolutely have to in a scripted sequence). But at least there the enemies and your team mates are actually engaging each other.

You mention that you haven't played MW1. I don't know if I can recommend it. It's entertaining enough until you realise that all the game really requires of you is to run from A to B dodging bullets along the way. Actually shooting enemies is entirely redundant. They keep pouring out from every corner. Until you reach B that is. Then they miraculously disappear. Then it's on to C. Rinse and repeat. It's not all like that. The sniper section was good. But it's a cheap trick that's constantly repeated throughout. It gets old fast.

How's WAW holding up online? I'm somewhat tempted to grab it in a sale.
Post edited November 21, 2011 by Navagon
To be honest, I think the SP campaign in BOps was pretty much the ONLY thing I liked about it. Well, that and the addition of bots to play team deathmatch with. (One can only stand so many screaming 12 year olds. The community's pretty bad when you'd rather massacre bots than teabag shit talking preteens...wait, that sentence came out ALL WRONG.) X_x
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SimonG: snip
Ha, well I still haven't finished the game, so will report back when I do.

Personally, I prefer corridors. I dislike seemingly large open levels with the "Return to the combat zone" bullshit. Also, it becomes a game of pixel hunting because camo works rather well. I also find it more tedious because enemies aren't all that accurate over a distance, so it's just a matter of taking them down one by one.

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Navagon: snip
Well, see I might be experiencing this because I play on Veteran and to be honest, the game's not really balanced around that difficulty. I'm sure that you'd have a more positive experience if you played on a lower difficulty.
In BOps I actually had the issue of being randomly gibbed the moment I raised my head from behind cover. Enemies were brutally accurate and you had to clear every last one of them before you could move.

As I said earlier about WaW, it seems that there are still people playing. There are plenty of servers around. I'm simply picky because I will not play on a server where I have more than 50 ping (though honestly speaking, it's not so important in CoD). Also, I want to almost exclusively play maps from map pack 3. The earlier levels are simply too large and cater for the players who like to sit in one spot for 15 minutes with a sniper, spotting the only entrance. Tiresome. Also, there's still a heap of cunts running around with Martyr. After having played BOps, I had forgotten how annoying it was, though once you remember to keep an eye out for it, it's not so bad.
I also saw an aimbotter yesterday, but not sure how common those are (actually, I saw quite a few more in BOps).

I actually have a retail DVD of MW sitting around somewhere and I've promised myself to install it on many occasions. I think I'll go and look for it once I finish MW3. Everyone tells me that I'll love it, but to be honest, if it wasn't for WaW, I wouldn't be playing CoD.

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LiquidOxygen80: To be honest, I think the SP campaign in BOps was pretty much the ONLY thing I liked about it. Well, that and the addition of bots to play team deathmatch with. (One can only stand so many screaming 12 year olds. The community's pretty bad when you'd rather massacre bots than teabag shit talking preteens...wait, that sentence came out ALL WRONG.) X_x
To be honest, I found the story enjoyable but stupid. The 'twist' was so dumb that it made my head hurt, fuck knows why the game got so much praise for it.
I've encountered a few kids with mics in lobbies in MW3, but honestly, that's only a real issue in the US.
I only really buy new at full price stuff that's from niche companies that need supporting like Atlus, Xseed, NISA, Aksys, etc. that get low print runs and risk disappearing in a few months.

Other than that I wait til they drop to the 20 or 30 dollar range. Not much point in falling over myself to get something like DE:HR, B:AC, or Skyrim when they'll likely be under 30-40 for black friday or christmas sales, or will just come out with a GOTY edition next year.

Especially since my backlog's a black hole anyway.
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FraterPerdurabo: . However unlike what SimonG said, it's getting better and I'm enjoying the latter bits more than the first half (better level design)...
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SimonG: Now wait a second laddy!

Imo, the worst two missions are Berlin and the mine. (Which are the last two "normal" iirc, as I consider the last mission more as a bonus mission)

Manhattan had a very good pacing, and so did London. The Africa missions had at least some sort of opener level design (not much,just open courtyards, but still better than room after room).

Paris was soso and Prague was a bit better than Paris. The castle was really boring, as you just tagged along... well and then it really went downhill.

Also "storywise", the game pretty much falls apart after Prague. Whoops, the biggest war since WW2 is all of a sudden over.

My order, just SP.

MW>MW3>MW2>BOps

On a side note, I just finished the "new" Medal of Honor, and it is surprisingly good (SP)
So I finished the game some time last week and I still rest my case. I do still think that the second part of the game is much better than the first.

Oh finally put my GTX580 in as well (had to change the case and PSU). Not that it really made a difference, I maxed everything out and I'm sure that it looks exactly the same as with my GTX285. Or possibly I didn't notice because I don't care much for graphics.

I think that the big reason for why I prefer the latter part of the game is level design. The early game provides larger (seemingly, it's still on rails) levels, whereas the latter part is more corridor-based. Anyway, I stick to everything that I said about the SP campaign earlier.

Spec Ops is frankly a disappointment. Make that a major disappointment considering that I bought the game for it. I have thus far completed all but 4 (Veteran, solo).

There are some good 'episodes', but the issue is that most of them are just too bloody long. Way too long. You can easily spend 15min on a particular mission and then die. It's simply not fun. By long, I mean that there are just way too many waves of enemies to be taken out. It's not hard, it's simply time-consuming and tedious.

Actually, that is also my issue with the SP campaign. Too many waves of enemies. You're literally inching forward, because each trigger spawns 5+ more enemies who are good at hiding. Once again, killing them is just time-consuming.

Oh and forgot to mention - Spec Ops is different now. You get +100 pts for each kill and more for additional stuff (i.e. finishing a particular mission) and you're constantly gaining levels to unlock stuff in the Survival mode. Near idea, but Survival is boring. You hole up in some random level and waves of enemies spawn, rushing your position (enemies includes dogs, Juggenauts, etc), which goes on until you die. In between waves you have half a minute to buy stuff for the money that you've earned (i.e. Predator missiles, weapons, Claymores, etc). But it's just boring. Perhaps it's centred around 2-player action, but even then, I simply don't imagine it being fun.

If I gave the Spec Ops in MW2 4.5/5, then MW3's Spec Ops gets 3/5.
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Barnell: They way I see it the hooker is initially cheap but you still have to pay for the 1 hour hotel room.
Good hookers provide incall or come to you for outcall. Just saying. ;-)
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FraterPerdurabo: snippedy snip
I think we are looking for different things when playing Modern Warfare.

For me, as an average FPS player at best, those games were simply to "play through an action movie". I like it when things go boom and the level has a good pacing. For me atmoshpere is the key. Stuff like level design or enemy placement and all that aren't very important for me, because frankly, I'm to shitty in those games to notice the difference between good and bad.

And from that point of view, I found the latter parts (last level excluded) inferior to the first half. From the "action movie experience". New York was really awesome (well apart from the on cheap shot we discussed in the other thread) and I loved the London missions. The airplane mission was also done really well, imo. But somewhere around the middle it felt very strange and rushed. Prague felt like I'm playing a WWII shooter with modern weapons and Paris as well as Berlin were just "meh" in that regard. Don't get me started on that stupid mine. That is also the reason I really like the last level, the first half is hardly a challenge but highly enjoyable!

I still consider the first MW brilliant. It terms of pacing and alternation it offered the best experience I had an in any modern "rail shooter". It good the "feeling" right.

To give you the impression how bad I am at shooters: I barely finished the first two Spec Ops missions in MW3 on the easiest setting.

Oh, and that they killed my favorite character of the MW series didn't help me to like the game more ...