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Posted June 26, 2010
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UK_John: Steam is in an ever decreasing circle because it has no customer service, is just a money grabbing delivery system and does not think of the gamer.
For example: By forcing you to install all Steam games to a Steam folder on a single drive, and then having to at some point transfer everything in that folder to another bigger drive when you start running out of space on the original drive is just going to slowly move customers away from the service. How many gamers love Steam so much they are going to spend money on another huge drive to copy their Steam folder to to continue buying games and having them all sit in that one folder on that one drive?
My Steam folder is now 190GB on a 350GB drive, with companies like Impulse and CeX (here in the UK) I have already started buying games elsewhere to avoid this folder getting even bigger. I have a second drive which is 160GB drive.
It doesn't take a genius to see how slowly people are going to find they don't have enough space on their Steam drive to buy their latest Steam purchase, and find their other drive (if they have one!) is not big enough to copy the original Steam folder and the new game to it. While some will actually go out and buy a bigger drive, most will look elsewhere, even if it means spending a little more.
With the arrogance of Steam in it's customer relations, I doubt it will do anything about this until it's too late, or that it is far enough into the future it won't matter because by then Valve will be a console only developer/publisher.

You do know that you can just delete the local content to free some disk space and just re-download whenever you want right? Because the disk space argument is pretty weak.. I have 100+ games and only keep a few installed, the others I reinstall whenever I want to play them.
Posted June 26, 2010
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bansama: One of these days. But I stopped all work on that part of the site to concentrate on the sales as that's what most people were using. I do plan to eventually completely recode that part of the site, but there's a few problems with how some of the other sites (namely Steam) keep changing the names of items, which is stopping me from adding the integration I want with the wish lists and the sales. And simply put, I haven't had the time to look at any of the features I want to code =(.

I see, no big deal anyway the main features are there ;). About the changing of names in STEAM: doesn't each item have its unique identification number which could be used to bind to a game card? (for instance 34010 for Alpha Protocol) but you must already have thought all this through and making something like this work flawlessly still requires much configuration as I see it.
All in all it's straightforward and to the point, just like GOG. I like that.
Posted June 26, 2010
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UK_John: Steam is in an ever decreasing circle because it has no customer service, is just a money grabbing delivery system and does not think of the gamer.
For example: By forcing you to install all Steam games to a Steam folder on a single drive, and then having to at some point transfer everything in that folder to another bigger drive when you start running out of space on the original drive is just going to slowly move customers away from the service. How many gamers love Steam so much they are going to spend money on another huge drive to copy their Steam folder to to continue buying games and having them all sit in that one folder on that one drive?
My Steam folder is now 190GB on a 350GB drive, with companies like Impulse and CeX (here in the UK) I have already started buying games elsewhere to avoid this folder getting even bigger. I have a second drive which is 160GB drive.
It doesn't take a genius to see how slowly people are going to find they don't have enough space on their Steam drive to buy their latest Steam purchase, and find their other drive (if they have one!) is not big enough to copy the original Steam folder and the new game to it. While some will actually go out and buy a bigger drive, most will look elsewhere, even if it means spending a little more.
With the arrogance of Steam in it's customer relations, I doubt it will do anything about this until it's too late, or that it is far enough into the future it won't matter because by then Valve will be a console only developer/publisher.
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A-Pock: You do know that you can just delete the local content to free some disk space and just re-download whenever you want right? Because the disk space argument is pretty weak.. I have 100+ games and only keep a few installed, the others I reinstall whenever I want to play them.

Just a warning: UK_John has the magic ability of finding the ONE complain that is actually not a big deal (ignoring all the ones that ARE a big deal...) and refusing to budge. He has been doing that for years (saw him at a few other boards in the past, as well as here).
And yeah, I actually prefer Steam BECAUSE of the "disk space" issue. Anyone who has downloaded large games on Impulse will be able to tell you, it sucks. Because you have to do everything at once. So you need to download everything, then click through all the pop-ups in the installer. Steam will wait until you want to play to install.
Now, in a perfect world, Steam wouldn't pause my downloads because I am playing Nation Red or HL2. But whatever.
Posted June 26, 2010
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Gundato: Anyone who has downloaded large games on Impulse will be able to tell you, it sucks.
actually it's not. For me all downloads via Impulse are faster than via Steam.
Posted June 26, 2010
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pops117: doesn't each item have its unique identification number which could be used to bind to a game card?

Unfortunately, games listed as pre-purchase/pre-order, often change their allocated numbers on release, other games have different numbers depending on the region. For example, the Dawn of War games have a different number for Australia to the rest of the world*. And others simply have their numbers changed a while after release for whatever unexplained reason.
* You generally won't notice this when using the Steam store as it auto redirects you to the number for your region, but it causes problems when scraping data from their service.
Posted June 26, 2010
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Gundato: Anyone who has downloaded large games on Impulse will be able to tell you, it sucks.
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lackoo1111: actually it's not. For me all downloads via Impulse are faster than via Steam.

Wasn't really so much about the speed but the process (although, I actually find Steam faster).
Steam runs the installers for stuff like the Visual C Redistributable and DirectX when you are ready to play the game. Impulse just runs them the moment stuff downloads.
Same with extraction. Impulse decompresses the files when it finishes downloading, whereas Steam waits until you are ready to play.
That makes the difference being that I can play non-Steam games while I let one download, but I need to avoid "strenuous" activity if I decide to install an Impulse game.
Posted June 26, 2010
@John_UK
If you're around the Manchester area, there's a great shop for cheap computer parts.
Link
They do ship to other parts of the country, and I've used this shop since the 1990s.
500gb SATA2 hard drives for ~£35 is a steal, and they've probably still got PATA/IDE drives too.
I bought Avencast, Witcher EEDC, Pacific Storm/PS:Allies pack so far....and maybe when I've finished all my gogs, I'll get around to playing them :P
Posted June 26, 2010
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michaelleung: How does it run? Does it need a lot of computer power?

no actually it runs really well for how good it looks. my computer's getting pretty sluggish but it managed to run the game at almost entirely high settings without any slowdown that i could see. i was genuinely surprised.
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Lone3wolf: I bought Avencast, Witcher EEDC, Pacific Storm/PS:Allies pack so far....and maybe when I've finished all my gogs, I'll get around to playing them :P

good job on avencast! that game is a serious gem, no one's even heard of it.
but seriously, i would wait until the last day of the sale to get anything that's not on the 24hour deals. i'm waiting for the witcher myself, i'm almost certain it will be even further reduced.
Post edited June 26, 2010 by captfitz
Posted June 26, 2010
Must stay strong!
Damn. All dooms, quakes (except quake 4), hexens and wolfenstein games (except the new wolfenstein) is $34.99 and could go on sale further. I love all those games yet own none of them. I need an online support group to avoid. Trying to limit entertainment spending (cd/vinyl, games, movies) to $20-25 total next month (including next week) and that includes wanting to buy Ghost World on dvd.
Must stick to to the plan to only get Beat Hazard and Super Laser Racer for a combined $3.75. Further worse is that Orange Box and/or Half-life complete will probably go on sale for $9.99 next week.
Post edited June 26, 2010 by Kabuto
Posted June 26, 2010
Whee, Force Unleashed for 8 bucks.
Will provide a good test for my new rig, and I loved the PSP version. Great hack-and-slash game.
Posted June 26, 2010
I was seriously tempted by TFU myself, especially given the fact it'd cost about the same to get the PC version with everything than it will when they finally get around to releasing the hoth level for the 360 version.
"No," I said it myself, "you've already spent a lot of money on games for this new PC and you're supposed to be saving for atrip away, that 8 bucks might not be much but it will make a difference"
Then as a reward for my restraint, I turned around and spent $7.50 on audiosurf & company of heroes
Posted June 26, 2010
Yes. Star Wars offer is so tempting. But game is 30 GB I think with 8 MBPS connection downloading it is real pain.
Posted June 26, 2010
today is BORING
Posted June 26, 2010
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captfitz: today is BORING

SO'S YOUR MOM.
Posted June 26, 2010
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captfitz: today is BORING

I 2nd that.
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captfitz: today is BORING
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michaelleung: SO'S YOUR MOM.

I beg to differ.
Post edited June 26, 2010 by Rohan15
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