It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
In Cyberpunk 2020 corebook, there's a story about Johhny Silverhand trying to rescue his girlfriend. He fails to do that, but before she dies her conscience(that is unknown to him) is "digitalized" and lives on as an AI. In canon storyline, Johhny dies some time after 2020, but we can see his "ghost" in trailer. So I'm thinking he did undergo a similar procedure, and what we see in trailer is actually a Silverhand AI manifesting itself through V's cyberware(for reasons unknown). And Immortality Cyberware is perhaps a piece of hardware that would allow anyone to digitalize his or her conscionsnes and become "immortal", in sense that one would no longer need a organic body to live.

What are your thoughts?
avatar
borokolo: In Cyberpunk 2020 corebook, there's a story about Johhny Silverhand trying to rescue his girlfriend. He fails to do that, but before she dies her conscience(that is unknown to him) is "digitalized" and lives on as an AI. In canon storyline, Johhny dies some time after 2020, but we can see his "ghost" in trailer. So I'm thinking he did undergo a similar procedure, and what we see in trailer is actually a Silverhand AI manifesting itself through V's cyberware(for reasons unknown). And Immortality Cyberware is perhaps a piece of hardware that would allow anyone to digitalize his or her conscionsnes and become "immortal", in sense that one would no longer need a organic body to live.

What are your thoughts?
Well Ghosts that are still floating around in the physical world is technically what makes them ghosts. If you're dead but you're still here, you're not "up there" enjoying heaven where you technically fit into the context of that universe and can interact with everything. If you're a ghost but still here in physical reality, you appear as a ghost because you lack context in the world around you, and thus are not able to really interact to full effect, making immortality more of a curse than a blessing. "Hey I'm a ghost. Cool. Wait, I can't eat anything, or kiss my wife..." Basically, really sad. I hope that isn't where it's going because what's the point right? Maybe build yourself a new body better than the last one? Become an AI and take over the world, turn it into a utopia or something, the opposite of terminator? That would be deeper than just "lol I float around I'm a cyberghost"
Yeah immortality in cyberpunk only ever works by being digitalized in the net. With that concept, you can go for different things.

If you want a physical self, you either have special bodies to download into, or take control of someone elses who might be compatible. This could easily be a gameplay mechanic, even. But if it's the endgame goal to get this one, legendary special implant...

Also, if it was an implant that did this - your body gets destroyed, so you lose the implant. At that point, it would be more of a one-time use thing, and there would have to be a whole ton of these implants to keep getting and using them, making them not a prototype kind of thing anymore.

As such, true immortality would absolutely have to be the pure digital side of things. You can't download yourself into something that traps you in mortality again. Copies? Memory sync? Maybe it's urban legends, and the real deal actually results in a horrible state of "shadow of your former self" that you can't escape.

I'm not familiar with the franchise though, so I can only go by Ghost in the Shell, Blade Runner and other reoccurring cyberpunk concepts.

Also, there was a movie about a team of scientists trying to create a digital conciousness of one of their friends with terminal illness, and they managed to do it shortly after he had passed away. He was integrated into a complex where he could control everything, and tons of holographic displays were set up so he could "eat dinner" with his wife, and talk at the table. In the end, he even got a robot self / avatar if I recall correctly, and the question the movie posed was, is that really still him with all these new abilities and scientific ideas, or is the AI abusing their trust in the person that used to be for world domination? Not gonna spoil any details, but the movie was amazing. If anyone knows what it was called, please tell.
Post edited June 11, 2019 by BlackSun
Another thought:
We don't know when V sees Johhny for the first time, but if we assume that that happens on a garbage dump, after he was left there by Dex and his goons, then perhaps the chip he was tasked to fetch had Johnny on it, and V sees him because he managed to somehow download himself into his cyberware?
avatar
borokolo: Another thought:
We don't know when V sees Johhny for the first time, but if we assume that that happens on a garbage dump, after he was left there by Dex and his goons, then perhaps the chip he was tasked to fetch had Johnny on it, and V sees him because he managed to somehow download himself into his cyberware?
I also bet it is Johnny Silverhands conciousness on that chip V stole and is now plugged to his head. So he sees Johnny because of that. I think V's system rebooting on the landfill activated the chip.
Post edited June 11, 2019 by Aquelll
I love everyones theories about Johnny Silverhand. Keanu Reeves in the trailer does this glitchy thing. Maybe he's like a virtual guardian angel that only main character is able to see? Already posted this in the other thread but felt the need to mention it again.
Post edited June 13, 2019 by fridgeband
Everybody knows the fact that Keanu Reeves is immortal, and he plays Johnny Silverhand in this game. What other evidence you need?
avatar
nicko1980: Everybody knows the fact that Keanu Reeves is immortal, and he plays Johnny Silverhand in this game. What other evidence you need?
Oh, I guess I was way late. Everyone else understand everything about Silverhand before me? Ok.
Post edited June 16, 2019 by fridgeband