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I was thinking about it, and I want to hear everyone's opinions about what is "the most cyberpunk" game to date (Cyberpunk 2077 excluded until release so we can actually see it in action).

My personal bet would be Uplink because it has the most cyberpunk atmosphere I have ever seen, trumped by neither Deus Ex or System Shock.

I mean, cyberpunk always was a sister genre of both dystopia and noir, and Uplink reflects that perfectly.

Still, I want to hear others' opinions.
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Morsealworth: I was thinking about it, and I want to hear everyone's opinions about what is "the most cyberpunk" game to date (Cyberpunk 2077 excluded until release so we can actually see it in action).

My personal bet would be Uplink because it has the most cyberpunk atmosphere I have ever seen, trumped by neither Deus Ex or System Shock.

I mean, cyberpunk always was a sister genre of both dystopia and noir, and Uplink reflects that perfectly.

Still, I want to hear others' opinions.
For me it would be Shadowrun: Dragonfall. The music blended wonderfully with the story and location, the playthrough allowed some interesting options that I’ve never seen in other RPG that I’ve played and the hacking, general criminal element and strife were also omni present, just like you would expect for a Cyberpunk game. There was great cost to pay for cyberware and you really felt as the insignificant pawn in the larger “game”, just trying to get by (I’ve played on max diff) and having to make difficult decisions (usually moral vs economic). I did mod the game for my second playthrough and enjoyed it much more than vanilla (mainly greater lethality of weapons and some other minor things). I still get chills just listening to the music.

Dragonfall OST

Those more inclined toward hacking and VR will probably wish there was more of it in SR:Dragonfall, but for me it was a great mix of various elements.

EDIT: small typo in the name of the game
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Post edited February 12, 2023 by lace_gardenia
Oh. my! Thank you kindly for such wonderful responses. With even soundtracks as a sample of the atmosphere, your points are much easier to understand.
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lace_gardenia: if you want that original 1980's cyberpunk aesthetic and feel
To be more exact, I'm not talking about the '80s. I just mean that the important theme of the atmosphere of cyberpunk is the cyberspace itself, the cheapness of one's life and how distanced from it is the one who is deciding the fate of the ones ruined. That's why Uplink was so powerful in its atmosphere - you didn't contact people's lives directly. You could send people to prison with absolutely nonsensical crime records and all you would worry about was a paycheck and deleting the logs. Life was cheap, it felt cheap and that's what cyberpunk is all about.

Of course, the music also needed to be electronic simply to create a natural atmosphere. Actually, lack of electronic instruments in the music shown so far is a very serious weakness for Cyberpunk 2077's atmosphere, in my opinion. I mean, there's an old VN called YU-NO that was released in 1996 and its soundtrack, when taken out of context, is far more suited to the atmosphere than the soundtrack we saw released.

Of course, said soundtrack is a masterpiece for several other reasons, but still.
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For me it would be any of the new ShadowRun games .
Also I would add DeX and I am sure there are others I've played over the past few years I am forgetting about.
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Post edited February 12, 2023 by lace_gardenia
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Morsealworth: Oh. my! Thank you kindly for such wonderful responses. With even soundtracks as a sample of the atmosphere, your points are much easier to understand.

To be more exact, I'm not talking about the '80s. I just mean that the important theme of the atmosphere of cyberpunk is the cyberspace itself, the cheapness of one's life and how distanced from it is the one who is deciding the fate of the ones ruined. That's why Uplink was so powerful in its atmosphere - you didn't contact people's lives directly. You could send people to prison with absolutely nonsensical crime records and all you would worry about was a paycheck and deleting the logs. Life was cheap, it felt cheap and that's what cyberpunk is all about.

Of course, the music also needed to be electronic simply to create a natural atmosphere. Actually, lack of electronic instruments in the music shown so far is a very serious weakness for Cyberpunk 2077's atmosphere, in my opinion. I mean, there's an old VN called YU-NO that was released in 1996 and its soundtrack, when taken out of context, is far more suited to the atmosphere than the soundtrack we saw released.

Of course, said soundtrack is a masterpiece for several other reasons, but still.
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lace_gardenia: i just remembered this website:
www.cyberpunkreview.com

they are spec dedicated to [drumroll] reviewing cyberpunk things :)

here is their game category:
www.cyberpunkreview.com/category/cyberpunk-games/

edit: oh, their game section is much smaller than their movie section. too bad.

oh, and yeah, I like uplink too, partly since it so "subtle" - if you did something that affected someone, you pretty much had to follow up on it yourself to see what happened. the game did not come out and show you, and it made the world seem more real in a way.
I never expected for such a thing to exist. I feel my horizons broaden.

And I absolutely agree with the realism uplink gave you. Such immersion suited the theme perfectly, especially since cyberpunk IS reality. Like, right at this moment we see total surveillance and thought being shaped through social networks and computer systems decide pretty much everything. We've been had for a long while now, and the technology only helps them to keep their chokehold.
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Post edited February 12, 2023 by lace_gardenia
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Morsealworth: Such immersion suited the theme perfectly, especially since cyberpunk IS reality. Like, right at this moment we see total surveillance and thought being shaped through social networks and computer systems decide pretty much everything. We've been had for a long while now, and the technology only helps them to keep their chokehold.
I don’t think most people realize to which extent the things you mention go in real life. :) When I say we’re already playing Cyberpunk people look at me funny. xD
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Post edited February 12, 2023 by lace_gardenia
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Wolf109: I don’t think most people realize to which extent the things you mention go in real life. :) When I say we’re already playing Cyberpunk people look at me funny. xD
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lace_gardenia: that is probably cause you have a twisted view of cyberpunk

lgbt-rights and the existence of trans people does not count as """dystopian"""
Hey @lace_gardenia,
I think you're being a little presumptuous about the OPs beliefs, I re-read Wolf109's posts and I can't find any references to LGBTQ or Transgender ideas of any kind; I was under the impression that they (Wolf109) were referring to the state of surveillance and the data mining of human experiences (ala The Age of Surveillance Capitalism) as a comparison to the cyberpunk universe.

Anyway, if I could be so bold as to suggest that perhaps, instead of assuming you know what people are thinking and/or referring to; if the idea or context of what they are conveying or trying to convey is vague. Perhaps it would be more prudent to simply ask for an explanation of their point of view to clarify any ambiguity.

May we all learn to communicate more concisely; I hope we can change the face of discourse by engaging on level grounded rhetorical debates.

Kindest Regards from an anonymous keyboard warrior!
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Post edited February 12, 2023 by lace_gardenia
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codywg: Hey @lace_gardenia,
I think you're being a little presumptuous about the OPs beliefs, I re-read Wolf109's posts and I can't find any references to LGBTQ or Transgender ideas of any kind; I was under the impression that they (Wolf109) were referring to the state of surveillance and the data mining of human experiences (ala The Age of Surveillance Capitalism) as a comparison to the cyberpunk universe.

Anyway, if I could be so bold as to suggest that perhaps, instead of assuming you know what people are thinking and/or referring to; if the idea or context of what they are conveying or trying to convey is vague. Perhaps it would be more prudent to simply ask for an explanation of their point of view to clarify any ambiguity.

May we all learn to communicate more concisely; I hope we can change the face of discourse by engaging on level grounded rhetorical debates.

Kindest Regards from an anonymous keyboard warrior!
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lace_gardenia: that's because the mods removed a bunch of posts by that user. there were plenty of general anti-lgbt stuff there.

there was also a posted thread about how it was "very sad" that R Talsorian games and Mike Pondsmith supports Black Lives Matter.

so there is no benefit of the doubt left to give, unfortunately.
I understand and appreciate your position; however, your response was superfluous and rather inflammatory.

May I suggest that everyone refrain from using the position others have held outside of the current context. I don't believe that it is possible to know the past offender in fact still holds the opinions they once had.

I would posit that it is in the best interests of everyone to approach every discussion with the idea that perhaps those who you think hold a certain position, based on past interactions, have adjusted said position through self reflection and better judgement.

I am of the opinion that we could all use a little bit less judgement and perhaps a little bit more space for objective discourse; I would also argue that many people will change and/or have changed their worldview over time and that the whole purpose of debate is to help people understand and appreciate the view you currently have, and help steer their view more towards yours. If, however, you don't allow that space for course correction than what is the purpose of having discussions other than simply trying to be hurtful to other people to no end?

Thanks for your consideration!
Regards, fellow idealist and everyday human!
Much love!


EDIT: PS:
I would also like to point out that they (Wolf109) was not in fact arguing anything anyway; they were simply relating an opinion and an anecdote which does not in my experience constitue argumentative intent.

Also to be clear my intent isn't to judge you; rather I simply want to help everyone come together under the umbrella of amicability or, at the very least non-antagonism..
Post edited June 13, 2020 by codywg
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Post edited February 12, 2023 by lace_gardenia
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codywg: Hey @lace_gardenia,
I think you're being a little presumptuous about the OPs beliefs, I re-read Wolf109's posts and I can't find any references to LGBTQ or Transgender ideas of any kind; I was under the impression that they (Wolf109) were referring to the state of surveillance and the data mining of human experiences (ala The Age of Surveillance Capitalism) as a comparison to the cyberpunk universe.

Anyway, if I could be so bold as to suggest that perhaps, instead of assuming you know what people are thinking and/or referring to; if the idea or context of what they are conveying or trying to convey is vague. Perhaps it would be more prudent to simply ask for an explanation of their point of view to clarify any ambiguity.

May we all learn to communicate more concisely; I hope we can change the face of discourse by engaging on level grounded rhetorical debates.

Kindest Regards from an anonymous keyboard warrior!
Well, for what is worth, thanks for trying to be rational with her. Her poor reading comprehension, personal attacks and trolling are getting pretty ridiculous.
As to the rest of your reply, you assumed correctly. That is what I was referring to.