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No , i dont like old stuff taking up space.
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kohlrak: AO725
Your potato looks a tad off :-( Maybe plant it and hope a new one growns from it? Would be nice to have at least two cores in the processor.

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Since I could not find a new home for my old pc (2009), I have kept it, mainly in case my current one breaks. I guess I could fix it up and play old games that are much easier to get working on Windows 7 (I upgraded from Vista) on it but I have not done so and did not have that intention.
Post edited May 30, 2021 by Themken
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timppu: So, floppy disks? For what? I am pretty sure that if you can buy some old MS-DOS games on floppies, the magnetic data from those floppy disks has perished already decades ago, and the floppies are useless.
I have several floppy disks, both factory made and own saves, disks for PC and Amiga, 3,5" and 5,25", stuff bought in unopened boxes and pre-owned stuff that has gone through several owners.

To this date, I haven't encountered a disk that wouldn't work.

The magnetic "decay thing" is a myth. You can check some older magazines, where there was serious speculation about whether airport security scan can wipe out floppy disk information. It was an urban legend, not a real thing.

There is *some* "bit rot" with floppy disks, but generally speaking they are much more durable than what people give them credit for. Of course, it all is connected to how you store them. If you keep them in closed boxes indoors in controlled temperature, most likely nothing happens. If you keep them out of box on the floor of you garage with no controlled heating or cooling, I don't doubt that something gets "perished" in those conditions.
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Dark_art_: Why not using CD's? Should be way easier.
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timppu: Why do you need to use a floppy drive anyway?
It only has a floppy drive. I think I once tried to install CD-Rom but it must have already been too new or something since it didn't start to work. But no worries, all my other machines have CD or DVD-Roms.

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timppu: 1. It is a retail CD/DVD game with copy protection that does not work on Windows 7, let alone Windows 10. I guess finding a suitable noCD crack fixes most of these, in case you are still able to find such working cracks, especially for an updated version of the game, not just the original 0-day 1.0.0 warez version.
Yes, I also have Win 98 and XP machines for my CD/DVD collection of games. I didn't consider them to be ancient enough to mention them here. Anyway. I don't trust those Cracks since I have gotten infected by them few times. I understand that DRM stuff on Win 7 & 10 (which is corporate greed), but for some weird reason I can't even get my legal DRM-free digitally bought copies of Rome and Shogun Total War games to run on them. Which I can't explain. I suppose that there are more compications and compatibility issues than just DRM with these newer operating systems.
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timppu: So, floppy disks? For what? I am pretty sure that if you can buy some old MS-DOS games on floppies, the magnetic data from those floppy disks has perished already decades ago, and the floppies are useless.
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PixelBoy: I have several floppy disks, both factory made and own saves, disks for PC and Amiga, 3,5" and 5,25", stuff bought in unopened boxes and pre-owned stuff that has gone through several owners.

To this date, I haven't encountered a disk that wouldn't work.

The magnetic "decay thing" is a myth.
Googling for it, the lifespan of floppy disks seems to be estimated to be around 10 years (or less), at best 20 years. And those estimations are for pretty much perfect storage conditions. Considering the (hard cover) floppy disks (games) were a thing around 1986-1994 or so, ie. about 30 years ago, at least I wouldn't take my chances e.g. buying a floppy disk game on Ebay, and still expecting it to work perfectly.

It has been a long time since I threw all my floppy disks to trash, but back when I tried them, many of them were failing already. I kept them in a relatively cool and dry place, Finnish climate is pretty much perfect when it comes to preservation of magnetic or optical media (relatively dry and cool).

Also I didn't find any information with google that the magnetic decay would be a myth (on floppy disk, magnetic disks and even hard drives). Quite on the contrary, many of the articles said that over time, the magnetic data will get weaker and weaker, and fail at some point. How fast, that depends how they are stored, whether there are any stronger magnetic fields nearby etc.
Post edited May 30, 2021 by timppu
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kohlrak: AO725
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Themken: Your potato looks a tad off :-( Maybe plant it and hope a new one growns from it? Would be nice to have at least two cores in the processor.
That is a Dual Core. It plays X2 just fine, but we won't talk about X3. But, hey, at least Skyrim runs.
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Since I could not find a new home for my old pc (2009), I have kept it, mainly in case my current one breaks. I guess I could fix it up and play old games that are much easier to get working on Windows 7 (I upgraded from Vista) on it but I have not done so and did not have that intention.
I have a pentium 4 i'm using as a server to host images, smtp, and a few other cool things.
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kohlrak: That is a Dual Core.
According to AMD's lies only. They claimed their processors from after Phenom 2 until Ryzen had twice as many cores as they actually did have, disgusting marketing.

They managed to silcence the protesters with a measly 12.1 million U$D.

The most important bit in case you care not to follow the link: "AMD’s Bulldozer microarchitecture used 'dual-core modules' containing two independent ALUs and a shared FPU. AMD believed that such design allowed it to call its FX-8000 and FX-9000 series processors as the industry’s first eight-core desktop CPUs, yet the latter were quite often behind their quad-core rivals from Intel in terms of performance. As a result, a group of people from California filed a class action suit that accused AMD of false advertising back in 2015."
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kohlrak: That is a Dual Core.
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Themken: According to AMD's lies only. They claimed their processors from after Phenom 2 until Ryzen had twice as many cores as they actually did have, disgusting marketing.

They managed to silcence the protesters with a measly 12.1 million U$D.

The most important bit in case you care not to follow the link: "AMD’s Bulldozer microarchitecture used 'dual-core modules' containing two independent ALUs and a shared FPU. AMD believed that such design allowed it to call its FX-8000 and FX-9000 series processors as the industry’s first eight-core desktop CPUs, yet the latter were quite often behind their quad-core rivals from Intel in terms of performance. As a result, a group of people from California filed a class action suit that accused AMD of false advertising back in 2015."
The AMD C60 is before all that. That said, if you look in on the history of x86 you can see where they got that idea from. The FPU is called the FPU because it was originally a separate "co-processor." Of course, it's obviously sneaky behavior.
Even after the long class action (and some less successful tries) is not 100% clear if we should call them 4 or 8 cores. If you playing games and general browsing/office it sure feels like a 4 core (it actually feels more like a 3 core due the very weak cores) but on rendering tasks, those fully load the "8 cores" were pretty fast.
The main problem with Bulldozer were not the number of cores but the power they used and the performance they offered, could be called pretty much a aberration. Clock for clock they weren't that better compared to older Phenom and power consumption was not that great either, even on a smaller and better node. To make matters worse, Sandy Bridge was a freaking breakthrough in performance.
No one would complain if they didn't hype those CPU's Cyberpunk style.

What annoys me the most in the AMD vs poor people settlement, is that the FX line were not the only CPU's using one FPU per two ALU module. The Athlon and A-series (APU's with included graphics) were pretty much the same, except for the non existent L3 Cache (not sure about Semprons and small Atom-like CPU's), and they were a big chunk of AMD sells. Those were not included in the Settlement as far as I know. (not even mention the "4" and "6" core parts were not eligible to the compensation)

Tin foil mode ON: even more fun, why all this happen after Ryzen launch, when those CPU's were pretty much obsolete? The FX line is from like 2010/2011?