Unlike Chinese nationalists stomping their feet, "I want censorship, NOW!". Or you demanding paying customers just silently accept GOG's decision. GOG is not entitled to my continued business either. Deal with it.

People are not morally obligated to agree with you, just like people don't have an obligation to defend GOG and keep using their store. That's literally what free speech is. Neither is your post getting censored from this website because of downvotes, but you obviously already knew that. After all, you're the master of resorting to false equivalence fallacy every single time the conversation isn't going in your favor.

Besides, GOG created this up/downvote system you happily use, maybe you should join us and complain to them. Or I dunno, move to China. They seem to love everyone always being in agreement. lol

How about no.
I dont speak dutch.

If this is the case, I'd have much less of the problem with GOG admitting it than making absurd claims on Twitter that a wishlist petition is quickly disproving.

To use a different example, for all of Epic Game Store's problems, one thing I admire about their store is their bluntness in the face of adversity. No forums, no wishlist, but doesn't insult your intelligence, either.

I'm not saying it's ok for gog to do it but there is a much larger backlash and misrepresentation to this than say when cyberpunk supported BLM and gog banned anyone complaining about it or censorship on steam etc.

I'll agree with your title, but the rest you're out of your damn mind. Ever been bullied before in school or something? Ever been in that situation where the staff of the school defends the bully over you? We're in the adult version of that, right now.

But i'll take your title. I agree. You see, for my analogy, it's time that we antagonize the bully. The bully has power only because we're afraid of the bully, and the teacher's afraid of how the bully could make their life harder. The solution, I believe, is to antagonize the bully. If we're not afraid, if we don't care, China has no power over us. The solution is to meme war, make our own games, etc. Either China will be exposed as not actually caring about the issue, like we suspect, or they'll cave out of the shear pain we inflict on them in return. Either way, we show them their threats have no control over us, and the shenanigans stop.

If it comes across that way, it is purely your interpretation.
I could have said you came up with a bunch of weak excuses, but I didn't.
I was just trying to get you to see things in a more logical light.

Well fair enough, but like I said it is about priorities.
You paid for those games, but don't really have them until you download them ... surely that is a priority, and if it can't be, maybe stop buying them until it can be ... just a suggestion. I am a strong advocate of preventative measures. I also indicated that just one copy and one drive is a big risk as well. I am also an advocate for doing things properly.

I agree it is tough, and I presume your spending and priorities adjusted to meet that.
Just imagine if you also lost access to all your games.
If you had been downloading your games as you bought them, then COVID should not have really impacted you in that regard ... logic tells us that. In other words, if you had taken preventative measures and already had a suitable drive before COVID came along, then you should have been ok in regard to your GOG games.

I agree, but some GOG is better than no GOG ... access to our DRM-Free libraries and their game updates is the most important aspects of all.

Words are cheap and protests easy.

Who here really know all the ins and outs ... none I reckon ... just a lot of assumptions being made, some quite ridiculous, many overly dramatic on so little facts known.

Who truly knows GOG's financial state or how separate things are with the parent company.
Who really knows what deals, many of them no doubt secret for a variety of reasons, that GOG may have with others like Epic etc.

I certainly suspect GOG are between a rock and a hard place ... been too much happening in the last year or so, that indicates this is likely the case.

Any difficulties with China could break them and we lose GOG ... for what ... one game or an attitude about it.

Why should GOG have to stand up for a company that did something, whether rightly or wrongly, that caused them grief. How is it's GOG's place to do so. GOG have a curation process, and some games make it some don't. GOG don't owe the DEVs or PUBs they refused, anything ... not even the possibility of a chance.

So many crazy posts and threads here, by people, that if you checked their homes, are probably full of Chinese products. How about they practice what they preach before attacking others like GOG, and there are oodles of businesses out there who need attacking long before GOG should be in their sights.

While I don't like what happened with Devotion, do you know what disgusts me more right now ....

How about we focus on the real enemy, and stop being drama queens, foolishly pretending it is bowing down to China.

Look at the bigger picture ... take off the blinkers.

P.S. Many of the Chinese are great people, who cannot be held responsible for their leaders. Such is the case all over the world with many races.

It's not the game, it's their attitude and all they told ourselves they represented. Do you think it is worthy it to bow down to the Chinese? Then you go and do that, but I never!

When the bully is bigger and badder than you are, you live to fight another day in another way.

And remember, all revolutions come from within, and it often means doing that old Roman thing of, if you can't beat them join them, and change them from within.

And it's not over until it is, and the large person sings.

P.S. My problem is I am a realist, not a reactionary. I like to weigh up reality and then respond in accordance with it, making no definite claims without definite enough data ... unlike some who just let their emotions override good thought and due diligence. I might claim possibilities, but that is all I claim. GOG are a pain in the ass sometimes, but some here go overboard when they attack them.

I don't want to boycott, I am forced to. I am seeing a lot of people boycotting, some even delete their accounts completely. I am afraid that gog might close up shop soon. Therefore I am afraid to invest more into my gog library as I may lose access to my games soon. I feel like being held hostage or something.

I am backing up my best games, as I have not enough resources to invest in numerous external hdds, my internet is slow too.

I don't care for devotion or politics. Most of the companies do shady stuff when it comes to China, because they want to do business, and it is a large market. I also believe that killing gog will not free Taiwan or overthrow the CPP. Ain't gonna happen.

However, I feel hurt due to the fact that GOG seems to be completely ignoring this situation. No explanations, no responses. Their twitter post was vague at best. There is no communication with the fandom at all.

Anyhow, if gog goes under I will go back to epic and steam, companies that can also be considered shady.

I also hate how people forget everything good GOG has done. They forget that despite this situation GOG is still a much better and consumer friendly platform that the other major platforms.

Just foolish emotional behavior, that is just not justified if they used logic and reason.

Seems pretty clear to me that you are letting your emotions guide you. Not saying you shouldn't take them into account, just that logic and reason should always rule taking that factor onboard.

Indeed, but some are just blinded by their emotions.

P.S. Sometimes you have to embrace the enemy before you can change them. China is a not an insignificant player or power. Commonsense should be telling us all to tread carefully, as there could be far more at stake.

China's making a move to secure more and more power. Realistically, this means that this is a battleground, which means there's actually hope to win it. If this wasn't a battle ground, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The bully is bigger and badder than we are, but we're not fighting in their territory, but our own. We don't exactly have much of a chance of fighting this in China. However, we have a pretty good chance of fighting this here in the west. I do thin kthe boycott route is not exactly the best avenue, but instead a grass roots PR campaign. China's mostly focused on the PR right now, and it's all about slowly creeping their censorship into the west. China clearly doesn't really care about the damn pooh jokes. No, what China is upset with is that their firewall is ineffective, and their own people are seeing this stuff, and that they can't even ban it from their own country. So, they're trying to bully with what power they do have to try to remove it from elsewhere. If, instead, people started anti-china pooh meming, china would be in trouble, especially if it was multiple platforms. Not only would their people see a resistance, without the need for translation, but they'd also see that China's powerless to prevent them from seeing it. All they can do is back off and tighten their firewall, which might also include kicking google, steam, gog, and everyone else out, too. It's like having a big bad bully that's deathly afraid of hermit crabs. This is all about china trying to play with the global market while continuing to censor their internal population.

Similarly, the same shenanigans are going on in the middle-east. I've seen arguments from muslims that the reason they need ISIS and the like is to stop the west from"spreading corruption in the land." Like, you know, romance scenes in movies, porn, LGBTQIA+, etc, which seems to be mostly what they're focused on, but they have other complaints as well.

Just make them choose between the global market and protecting their citizenry from external criticism. That's really all it takes. What are the social media platforms going to do? Block and ban all pooh related stuff? Does anyone honestly think that most people, even among the different political factions, would be cool with that? The only thing they could do to safe face is adopt the damn bear, themselves, but then they'd be showing their people that they've changable with numbers, and that chances a revolution. They cracked down way too hard and invested way too much in preventing this, that they basically created their own damn weakspot.

Of course it is, if enough do it.