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General discussionDear GOG, please take advantage of Steam dropping Windows 7 support(41 posts)(41 posts)
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Posted April 02, 2023
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Pheace: Edit: Omg did they really censor the name of their own video?
I'm surprised that video still exists at all as it has way too much truth in it. I expect it will probably be deleted off of their YT channel in the coming years if not sooner.

Hopefully someone will archive it before that happens.

As for the OP's premise: not sure exactly what he's asking for, that GOG is going to pledge to support Windows 7 forever? That wouldn't be a financially sound thing for GOG to do.
Post edited April 02, 2023 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
Posted April 02, 2023
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Pheace: Edit: Omg did they really censor the name of their own video?
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I'm surprised that video still exists at all as it has way too much truth in it. I expect it will probably be deleted off of their YT channel in the coming years if not sooner.

Hopefully someone will archive it before that happens.
I remember them pulling it soon after dropping their regional pricing changes because people were obviously bringing up what a 180 that suddenly was from that video, but the barbara streisand effect from that pull made them put it back again pretty quickly. I honestly also half expected this thing to have been quietly removed some years down the line but at least for now it seems to still be there
Posted April 02, 2023
The Regional Rip.off: Why Can't Gaming Be Fair?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdfYwvGTos

Yeah, seems to be censored lol. But I got around it by a simple edit ;)
Post edited April 02, 2023 by tfishell
Posted April 02, 2023
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tfishell: The Regional Rip.off: Why Can't Gaming Be Fair?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdfYwvGTos

Yeah, seems to be censored lol. But I got around it by a simple edit ;)
I guess GOG didn't expect to sell outside the EU and the USA at that time.
Posted April 02, 2023
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tfishell: The Regional Rip.off: Why Can't Gaming Be Fair?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdfYwvGTos

Yeah, seems to be censored lol. But I got around it by a simple edit ;)
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neumi5694: I guess GOG didn't expect to sell outside the EU and the USA at that time.
The EU is the problem, since that's where the prices are usually higher.

So the word ripoff is censored? Any others?
Nope, doesn't seem to be... Just capitalized then, Ripoff ?
Nope. So just the phrase Regional R*poff... How messed up...
Post edited April 02, 2023 by Cavalary
Posted April 02, 2023
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lubwak: Guys, I appreciate of all of the answers!
For one, I'd like to stress that one can still use their own computer for gaming and nothing else. No change of hardware or software is necessary. The security thing should be OS-related. Other companiones have nothing to do with it. Or it should be that way, although we know how all of those shady services and their relationships are.

Two, as clear as it is that GOG is pushing Galaxy (which is weird, given how its lacks some of the basic functions, such as sorting titles according to the purchase date), but it is in their *interest* to show their advantage over Steam. It's been very hard and they haven't had a lot of success. Steam dropping Windows 7 is *THAT* selling point that may draw attention especially now and closer to the end of this year, when Steam's support drops. It'd be foolish for GOG not take advantage of that with all of the outrage caused by the decision.

About te Win7 usage. Man, if you ask 10 people owning cars if they have a car, you cannot claim that ALL people own cars. Steam polls are such select market piece. I do not care about those for several reasons, and I got a prompt to take it earlier this year. There are even people still using Windows XP in India and other countries like that.

While we are it, I have had problems with XP era or earlier games not running on more modern systems and I could play them on my old computer with old software if it weren't for forced upgrades and lack of software/driver support. But that market, back then, was still much smaller back then and my library is MUCH larger these days.

I do not want to use Windows 10 or 11. I've tried them and I really dislike a lot of things about them, especially of you try to monitor whatever happens on your computer. I do not want to be forced to change my gaming computer (my work computer uses Linux) and GOG should use "moral ourage" of people like me to boost its market share.

TLDR; It's not only in its potential customers' interest, but also GOG's to challenge Steam on this one. Galaxy support for Windows 7 would definitely help, but I realize it is unlikely.
What outrage? You want them to support WinXP and DOS too? Software development moves forward, and making things backwards compatible takes time and effort. It's not as simple as "Just make it work on older systems", because things that work on newer systems often don't on older ones due to new capabilities of the softwares. They often require engineering workarounds. So since almost no one on Steam uses Win7, they decided it wasn't financially viable to keep developing workarounds to get things working on 7 that just work on 10 and 11, and they can spend that time and those resources making things work even better on systems that people will appreciate instead of letting the luddites who use older systems hold everyone back so that things can be developed to accommodate them.

GOG officially dropped support for WIN7 before Steam did.
Posted April 02, 2023
Not sure if serious, gog stopped supporting windows 7 long ago.
Posted April 02, 2023
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AWG43: The problem with Windows 7 security is pretty much fictional since Windows 10 has almost the same level of security vulnerability. Also Windows 7 has very low value for hackers because it's mostly used by those who can't afford a better software and/or hardware.
+1. It's refreshing to read a post that isn't just about propagating mindless fear and hyperbole. MS have been building upon much of the core on top of each other - kinda like what Bethesda have been doing for a long time; there's lot's of old code and holes from past versions.

Windows 7 is perfectly fine (for a few years at least) to surf around the internet with as long as the browser suit is relatively good and the user don't deliberately visit shady sites. I mean, biggest problem is still the one sitting between the chair and the keyboard. And yes, hackers usually goes for what has the broadest and biggest effect. Getting actively hacked is relatively low compared to being statically attacked via scripts. Seriously, unless you run server(s) you have a low chance of getting attacked (scriptjunkies might if they don't like you in an MMO game and they can see your IP to do some DDoS, but that's different and could happen regardless of OS anyway).

(EDIT: Laptop manufactures have been caught having pre-installed adware/malware and that's much worse than a self-built and self-configured Windows 7, or XP for that matter.)

And yes, why not support older OS than that? I'm personally not expecting Galaxy or anything like that to support Win9X or DOS (would be pointless and a waste of resources anyway), but removing the original .exe is only making people looking elsewhere for the originals.

And then comes the convoluted and compressed setups which isn't always easy to extract on Linux.

The biggest problem with GOG is that they refuse to have an open source game launcher, like Heroic Games Launcher. To me that's infinitely worse than not having Galaxy support older OS'.
Post edited April 02, 2023 by sanscript
Posted April 02, 2023
Please don't pile on me, but would a switch to Linux not make more sense?
Posted April 02, 2023
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Please don't pile on me, but would a switch to Linux not make more sense?
For whom?

I mean, Windows still is the (easiest and most familiar) king for most people. With W11 I think more people will move over, but yes, strictly on the topic of both security and privacy, Linux/Haiku is the future in my mind.

Again; I'm only talking about a pure gaming computer here, especially older games, not as the main/daily driver.
Posted April 02, 2023
OP, you imply the people using that stupid launcher on Win7 will realize "oh no, steam doesn't work on windows 7 anymore...and to launch the games, I need steam to work, which doesn't work on windows 7 anymore... WELP TIME TO GO DRM-FREE! GOG-TIME".

They won't.

They'll either upgrade to Windows 10 or 11 where the launcher works again, or they'll keep staying on Win7 and sacrifice playing the games they were playing. Nobody wants to admit their steam library is actually a bunch of subscriptions they bought from valve and only valve decides how and when you play these games, what conditions you have to do that, etc.

Much easier to imagine them upgrading and then it's business as usual, than for them to have a moment of self-reflection where GOG or itch.io or whomever can sweep in to, uhh, let them stay on an outdated OS?
Posted April 02, 2023
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AWG43: The problem with Windows 7 security is pretty much fictional since Windows 10 has almost the same level of security vulnerability.
That's complete nonsense. I'm sure that there exist security relevant bugs in Windows 7 that don't exist in 10 just as I am sure that there are some that exist in 10 that don't exist in 7 and there are some that exist in both.

However, even if what you write is true and every security relevant bug that exists in 7 also exists in 10 that doesn't make the problem fictional because there is one importat difference between these two OS.

Windows 10 is still supported, Windows 7 is not. And that means the bugs will eventually get fixed in 10 (and that can happen quite fast if there is already an exploit in the wild) but they will never get fixed in 7.

An unsupported OS should not be on the internet. Period.
Posted April 02, 2023
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AWG43: The problem with Windows 7 security is pretty much fictional since Windows 10 has almost the same level of security vulnerability.
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Geralt_of_Rivia: That's complete nonsense. I'm sure that there exist security relevant bugs in Windows 7 that don't exist in 10 just as I am sure that there are some that exist in 10 that don't exist in 7 and there are some that exist in both.

However, even if what you write is true and every security relevant bug that exists in 7 also exists in 10 that doesn't make the problem fictional because there is one importat difference between these two OS.

Windows 10 is still supported, Windows 7 is not. And that means the bugs will eventually get fixed in 10 (and that can happen quite fast if there is already an exploit in the wild) but they will never get fixed in 7.

An unsupported OS should not be on the internet. Period.
Not gonna lie, but people who rely on software (windows updates, anti-virus etc.) make me sad. The well known malware called Petya has damaged broad amount off Windows systems regardless of version, but mostly it was Windows 10 (according to security reports in Ukraine 2016-2017, as far as I can remember). Before this there was a similar malware which demanded to pay a fine for spreading child porn in the internet (which was obviously fake) and which was target Windows XP mostly. Now tell me what versions of Windows will be under attack nowadays?

You can tell yourself about some exclusive Windows 7 security flows as much as you want. But you wont convince people who use this version for more than 10 years with no security issues, that they should not be on the internet.
Posted April 02, 2023
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Please don't pile on me, but would a switch to Linux not make more sense?
Off topic here, but I'm still where I was 5, 10 or even some 20 years ago when it comes to that: Tell me what to use on Linux for an application-level firewall for outgoing connections that PROMPTS about any connection attempt not matching an existing rule, even when a program piggybacks for it on another that in itself is allowed, and I'll dive in (again). So a Linux alternative to (the very old version that I'm using of) Comodo Firewall. Nice if it'd also an equivalent of have that swiss army knife of a HIPS module, but the "chatty" firewall part comes first and is absolutely non-negotiable. Not even for security, but first of all for (a feeling of) control that I absolutely will not use a computer without.
Without that, I'm staying with 7, since any newer version of Windows most definitely takes away control from the user, and again that trumps any potential concern about security (which is massively overblown, by the way), and is also above the concerns about privacy in themselves when it comes to those newer versions, or those of reliability for that matter, so any assurances when it comes to those will have no effect whatsoever on my decision as long as the OS does things out of my control.
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AWG43: Not gonna lie, but people who rely on software (windows updates, anti-virus etc.) make me sad.
Well, security software can be used to monitor and control the system, which has the added benefit of allowing a knowledgeable user to keep themselves safe, without actually relying on the software itself to do so.
Post edited April 02, 2023 by Cavalary
Posted April 02, 2023
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AWG43: Not gonna lie, but people who rely on software (windows updates, anti-virus etc.) make me sad.
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Cavalary: Well, security software can be used to monitor and control the system, which has the added benefit of allowing a knowledgeable user to keep themselves safe, without actually relying on the software itself to do so.
If the user feel safer while using any of such software - that's fine, I guess. I don't use any anti-virus for many years now. Got no blue screens of death, no viruses or any type of malware. Only thing that I can complain is a hardware compatibility, which I manage to fortunately bypass. AS for me Windows 10 is more like a leash that prevents you from doing some stupid things online that you might regret. Setting local security politics for users on Windows 7 was always enough for me to be sure that those users wont do any harm to the system on their working PCs.
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