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General discussionGOG Mafia #72: Starship of the Gods Part II - The Infernal Engine(945 posts)(945 posts)
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Posted May 24, 2021
(@op: no votes here in this here post)
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Microfish_1: Just popping in at the end of a very long and busy day to say I'm knocking off early tonight because I'm getting jabbed (Round 1) tomorrow. I want a good night's sleep & I don't know how I'll be in terms of playing etc. Willing to vote NL if that's the thing to do; it's mathematically slightly more correct.
First off, hope you come out of it(jab) all well and good.

Second, love the music links...thanks for sharing em with us. :)

All that aside, I don't think you need to worry about voting NL....we'll likely be there when the clock runs out in around half a day.

Btw, when you do get back(before EOD hopefully) and in case you somehow end up the NK: Who are your top 3 suspects atm?

(going to try to ask this of everyone before EOD)

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Something apropos for everyone to enjoy while we wait for d4 to draw to a close
Posted May 24, 2021
I just realized. GH has been at L-2 for a while now, with Micro and Trent staying on his wagon. Interesting. Neither Joppo nor Catte hopped on the ride either. Still, I'll only consider this development for the second lynch. For now the facts remain clear: GH, Trent and myself were on GH's wagon, yet no quickhammers took place, so obviously scum has to be in one of this trifecta. Based on how we take this initial combo, we'll then figure out what to do with the Trent + Micro combo.

Hopefully scum aren't playing us like a damn fiddle or something.

"Magic mirror on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?" The Queen, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, 1937, so the movie is literally older than time.
Posted May 24, 2021
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Pookina: I just realized. GH has been at L-2 for a while now, with Micro and Trent staying on his wagon. Interesting.
And that is one of the things i've been saying/wondering.

Usually in these games when players suspect me this much I get lynched in short order....but not in this game....so then one has to ask: .why?

Am I a scum who has really improved their game that much, a player that has gotten lucky, or am I town and the scum are keeping me alive for some reason(such as a distraction/etc early on, and an easy mislynch candidate later in the game)?

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Pookina: Neither Joppo nor Catte hopped on the ride either. Still, I'll only consider this development for the second lynch. For now the facts remain clear: GH, Trent and myself were on GH's wagon, yet no quickhammers took place, so obviously scum has to be in one of this trifecta. Based on how we take this initial combo, we'll then figure out what to do with the Trent + Micro combo.

Hopefully scum aren't playing us like a damn fiddle or something.
They always play town like a fiddle...the key difference is the quality of said fiddle.

That aside, and as I asked Micro: who are your top 3 suspects(in case you're the NK)?
(Judging by the above, I am guessing Me/Trent/Micro?)
Posted May 24, 2021
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Pookina: Huh, it just hit me. Remember when trent used to be FlockeSchnee? I remember a couple of posts when she said she couldn't get the hang of the game. All this talk about scum trent is making me consider the idea that Flocke felt pressured early on due to being mafia, and possibly not committing enough to the game and costing her two-man team. Hence, getting replaced. I guess substitutes can potentially break the game, even if the assumptions being made could be wrong?
Hrm, that's a good point. I'd almost forgotten that Trent used to be FlockeSchnee.

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GymHenson: Imo scum probably won't NK Catte...especially if they want to throw shade on me....as Catte has started to side a bit more with me(while still suspecting me a bit as well, of course).
I think it's quite a stretch to say I side with you. You primarily seem to suspect Pookina and I have to say I suspect you and Trent a great deal more. Earlier I was of the opinion that you and Trent were unlikely to be on a team together, but upon closer inspection a lot of the back and forth between you and Trent today could well have been a planned distancing performance. I agree it's possible that Pookina is scum, but I'm much more certain you are.

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joppo: I'm just trying to invent antigravity here!

That's... a complicated question. At first I'm okay with us going for an NL, since I see real benefits for Town. Despite that both Pooka and Trent are vehemently against it and obviously if we could win the game in less Days I'd be all up for it.
On the other hand, I'm confident that there must be scum in the conflict of Pooka versus GH and I'm inclined to say it is GH, who is already so suspected by so many people his lynch is very probable. So if there is enough support for us skipping the NL I'm okay with it. I'm still trying (and failing) to see the angle where GH is town and will remain at it until EoD, just in case. Besides, I was much against an early vote for NL because it would cut valuable time off D4. We did get that time by now and I think we used it well.
And on the third hand, my process of elimination has left me with only two possible scum pairs and Trent figures in both of them. He has become a certainty for me so of course I'm all up for lynching him today. But I don't think this idea has enough support yet.
So in the end, I'm kinda okay with any of NL, Trent or GH (with a caveat for the chance of Pooka gaining scumpoints that give him GH's spot before EoD).
Haha, I've heard of that before. I had no idea it was famous enough for its own wikipedia article.

Yeah, there must be one between those three and a strong chance both of them are in there (although I'm obviously not ruling out you or Micro being scum). The scum will have to kill someone and we'll have a little bit more clarity.

I think I've run out of things to discuss today. I'm going for my vaccine tonight (woo!), so I'll be back for EoD to try and sell you an Office 365 subscription or whatever Bill wants me to do.
Posted May 24, 2021
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Pookina: I just realized. GH has been at L-2 for a while now, with Micro and Trent staying on his wagon. Interesting. Neither Joppo nor Catte hopped on the ride either. Still, I'll only consider this development for the second lynch. For now the facts remain clear: GH, Trent and myself were on GH's wagon, yet no quickhammers took place, so obviously scum has to be in one of this trifecta. Based on how we take this initial combo, we'll then figure out what to do with the Trent + Micro combo.
You're right, tho some of that is not new. When you and GH were in his wagon both me and Catte were around and posting regularly instead of quickvoting. So it was pretty obvious back then that we are not the scum pair, tho it still doesn't exclude that one of us is scum.
You made me realize now that it has become evident for everyone that the pairs of Pooka + Catte and Pooka + Joppo are also impossible, or we would already be in post-game celebration/finger-pointing. Well I guess GH should say goodbye to his primary theory against me.

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my name is capitayn catte: I think I've run out of things to discuss today. I'm going for my vaccine tonight (woo!), so I'll be back for EoD to try and sell you an Office 365 subscription or whatever Bill wants me to do.
Rabies or Feline calicivirus? Either way, good on you. Tip the vet for me.
But if you try and sell me an Office subscription I will shoo a cat away for the first time in my life.
Posted May 24, 2021
I thought I had posted these replies. Turns out they are written and sitting nicely in a notepad in my home PC. Whatever.

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GymHenson: This reminds me....as I said to Pookina in post 802(in the underlined bit that starts with the word "btw"): me doing all this(delaying the game and going for NL) makes little sense....as it'd only be a delaying tactic.

If i'm alive on d5 i'll likely be suspected and easily voted anyways.

So then why do it? Why delay the inevitable if I am scum while knowing i'll likely be lynched the next "day"?
Fair enough, scum!you wouldn't have much to gain. But it doesn't exclude the possibility of you doing it hoping that someone else messes up in a major way and drives the heat away from you. Nonetheless I'm gauging you a notch down in my scum-meter for that theory.

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joppo: For example you selfvoted, he didn't. And despite that I should rate you both the same?
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GymHenson: Didn't you say above in this post of yours that my self voting was more NAI for me? And still you seem to be weighing my doing it as if another player had done it?
No. You don't get a free pass just because you don't follow the same conventions that most other players do. You're atypical but not insane nor an idiot.
What you get from me, and as far as I can see from the others, is that we won't rush to policy lynch you (especially since we're at MiLo) before assessing if there's any chance that we can be certain that was really a townie self-vote. I think if Joe, ZFR, Dedo or... [almost anyone else] were to selfvote in a game out of RVS they'd be policy lynched in just the time needed for enough players to type and bold a vote.
Posted May 24, 2021
VOTE COUNT

GymHenson 2 - trentonlf (#728), Microfish_1 (#762)
No-Lynch 2 - GymHenson (#732), Catte (#742)

Not voting: Joppo, Pookina

With 6 players it takes 4 votes to achieve a lynch.

GymHenson and No-Lynch is closest to lynch at L-2.

Day 4 ends in 3.5 hours.
Posted May 24, 2021
Hi!

It looks like you're playing mafia.

Would you like help?

• Get help finding the scum

• Just play the game without help

☐ Don't show me this tip again
Posted May 24, 2021
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my name is capitayn catte: I think it's quite a stretch to say I side with you.
Note: I said you were siding a bit more with me, not that you were FULLY siding with me.

(also should've put the word SEEMINGLY before the word started in that bit)

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my name is capitayn catte: You primarily seem to suspect Pookina and I have to say I suspect you and Trent a great deal more. Earlier I was of the opinion that you and Trent were unlikely to be on a team together, but upon closer inspection a lot of the back and forth between you and Trent today could well have been a planned distancing performance.
If I wasn't afraid of mislynch i'd be voting Pookina OR Trent right now. Would scum!me really be so willing to throw a better(than me) mafia player under the bus like that?

Or would scum!me push so hard for a NL......a NL that will likely just make me stand out more as a suspect if(more likely when) I survive till d5?

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my name is capitayn catte: I think I've run out of things to discuss today. I'm going for my vaccine tonight (woo!), so I'll be back for EoD to try and sell you an Office 365 subscription or whatever Bill wants me to do.
Lol.....if you beep or boop, out come the robot hunting bats/ ;D
(also GL with yer jab...hope it goes/went well and there's no side effects or etc)

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my name is capitayn catte: Hi!

It looks like you're playing mafia.

Would you like help?

• Get help finding the scum

• Just play the game without help

☐ Don't show me this tip again
Lol.....also I'd pick either of the top 2 choices, but more likely choice 1 than 2.

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my name is capitayn catte: Yeah, there must be one between those three and a strong chance both of them are in there (although I'm obviously not ruling out you or Micro being scum). The scum will have to kill someone and we'll have a little bit more clarity.
That we will, and i'm guessing it's likely that i'll be alive then if not somehow lynched in the next few hours.

So I ask: at least don't be so hasty to vote me early on d5 if I am alive then, ok? Think on it a bit longer before voting(for me or anyone else).....that seem a fair request?
Posted May 24, 2021
One hour and a half to write this thing, let's go.

Actually what am I even gonna write about? There isn't much left to do this Day, besides wait for the time to run out. But I guess I'm gonna start by asking, what is our plan for tomorrow? You guys chose no-lynch. This probably means you're willing to see one of the following's flip:

- joppo
- catte
- micro

I'm not sure any of these three are worth it honestly. We know full well the scum will leave those alive:

- GH
- trent
- myself

Sure, we'll have an extra flip, but we'll have one less Townie voting power, as opposed to the four of today. Isn't that fun.

"Are you not entertained?" -Maximus Decimus Meridius, Gladiator, 2000
Posted May 24, 2021
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joppo: You made me realize now that it has become evident for everyone that the pairs of Pooka + Catte and Pooka + Joppo are also impossible, or we would already be in post-game celebration/finger-pointing. Well I guess GH should say goodbye to his primary theory against me.
I unvoted around 6-7 minutes after Trent voted me. If he somehow actually is exasperated town, then I might've just been faster than you/micro/etc from putting on the hammer.

(One theory of mine if Trent is town is that the other scum player might not have been online to back up Pookina's vote or quick enough to do so before I unvoted)

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joppo: Rabies or Feline calicivirus? Either way, good on you. Tip the vet for me.
But if you try and sell me an Office subscription I will shoo a cat away for the first time in my life.
Don't be mean to the kittuhs! You could try converting the cat to using libreoffice or openoffice. ;)

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joppo: Fair enough, scum!you wouldn't have much to gain. But it doesn't exclude the possibility of you doing it hoping that someone else messes up in a major way and drives the heat away from you.
I more or less figure i'm very likely a ded man walking on d5 if i'm not the NK....if I were scum i'd probably be more likely to not bother and let town have the win.

(of course cannot prove alignment, so take it with some salt...etc etc)

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joppo: No. You don't get a free pass just because you don't follow the same conventions that most other players do. You're atypical but not insane nor an idiot.
What you get from me, and as far as I can see from the others, is that we won't rush to policy lynch you (especially since we're at MiLo) before assessing if there's any chance that we can be certain that was really a townie self-vote.
Fair enough, and more than I likely deserve....so thanks.

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joppo: Nonetheless I'm gauging you a notch down in my scum-meter for that theory.
Nice, but i'd much rather have you just(like I asked Catte in my last post) not be quick to vote me/anyone else on d5.....especially if I do survive to d5.

(I mean if i'm likely to be scum's easy win ticket, I want to give town one more chance to win...or to at least make scum wait a bit longer for said win)

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Btw, before EOD comes i'd like to know(in case you somehow happen to be the NK): Who are your top 3 suspects atm?

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Boomp needed
Posted May 24, 2021
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Pookina: But I guess I'm gonna start by asking, what is our plan for tomorrow?
Dunno about the others, but I am hoping players will discuss a bit and not rush to a lynch. If I am to be the lynch on d5 then so be it.....but i'm hoping for a little thinking before voting from my fellow players at the very least.

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Pookina: You guys chose no-lynch. This probably means you're willing to see one of the following's flip:

- joppo
- catte
- micro
I'd like to see the flip of any of my top 3 suspects, honestly...i.e. you/Trent/Joppo. That way my own suspect pool would be narrowed a bit, and I could contemplate how to proceed.

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Pookina: I'm not sure any of these three are worth it honestly. We know full well the scum will leave those alive:

- GH
- trent
- myself
Yes, I likely think we'll all be likely to make it to d5 as well...though likely not for the same reasons yous eem to think we all will survive. ;)

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Pookina: Sure, we'll have an extra flip, but we'll have one less Townie voting power, as opposed to the four of today. Isn't that fun.
Which is why town needs to be careful on d5, and not rush things.
(though again, if i'm to be the easy scum win then so be it.....but no need to hurry that win for them, I think :))

Btw, while yer here(and if I forgot to ask): Who are your top 3 suspects atm(in case I am horribly wrong and you somehow catch the NK)?


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Pookina: "Are you not entertained?" -Maximus Decimus Meridius, Gladiator, 2000
Are you, I wonder? ;)

"Hush hush hush, fellow town.....on N4 here comes the scummy-men"
Posted May 24, 2021
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my name is capitayn catte: Hi!

It looks like you're playing mafia.

Would you like help?

• Get help finding the scum

? Just play the game without help

v Don't show me this tip again
Null Pointer Exception at address x0438FE29.

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Pookina: One hour and a half to write this thing, let's go.

Actually what am I even gonna write about? There isn't much left to do this Day, besides wait for the time to run out. But I guess I'm gonna start by asking, what is our plan for tomorrow? You guys chose no-lynch. This probably means you're willing to see one of the following's flip:

- joppo
- catte
- micro

I'm not sure any of these three are worth it honestly. We know full well the scum will leave those alive:

- GH
- trent
- myself

Sure, we'll have an extra flip, but we'll have one less Townie voting power, as opposed to the four of today
The loss of one vote is not really a problem, actually. Because with the odd number of players it will be required one less vote to hammer.
Besides, the loss of one from the first group WILL help. For example, let's say Micro suspects me. But if I am the one to bite the dust (please work under the theory I am town here) we can be sure that Micro won't waste his vote on me when the time for voting scum off comes.
Posted May 24, 2021
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GymHenson: Btw, while yer here(and if I forgot to ask): Who are your top 3 suspects atm(in case I am horribly wrong and you somehow catch the NK)?
I dunno, isn't it obvious?

You at the top
trent is next

(yes I know I put trent in a "Town" list but, go figures, I'm getting convinced of the scum trent theory myself, and not for the whole voting you thing)

farthest one is microfish, obvs, because he's the one I'm least certain about

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joppo: The loss of one vote is not really a problem, actually. Because with the odd number of players it will be required one less vote to hammer.
Besides, the loss of one from the first group WILL help. For example, let's say Micro suspects me. But if I am the one to bite the dust (please work under the theory I am town here) we can be sure that Micro won't waste his vote on me when the time for voting scum off comes.
Suuuure. I'll buy that. One problem though: I doubt any of us will vote someone other than from the Suspicious Trifecta™️. I just don't see it happening.

"Hell is a teenage girl." -Needy Lesnicky, Jennifer's Body, 2009
Posted May 24, 2021
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joppo: The loss of one vote is not really a problem, actually. Because with the odd number of players it will be required one less vote to hammer.
Besides, the loss of one from the first group WILL help. For example, let's say Micro suspects me. But if I am the one to bite the dust (please work under the theory I am town here) we can be sure that Micro won't waste his vote on me when the time for voting scum off comes.
Well said.....also a boomp if you need one.
(btw, I posted to you in post 821 above with a question/etc ;))
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