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General discussionGood News: Galaxy.dll breaks XP-compatibility in good old games(258 posts)(258 posts)
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Posted June 14, 2017
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Aemony: Right now it only seems to be Fallout: New Vegas, but any new title on GOG that comes with Galaxy integration will most likely be effected. It's also possible that if GOG starts patching old games with the new features that they as well will be affected, though in that case you can simply downgrade or disable auto-updates for those titles and you'll be able to play them on XP still.

So really, only completely new titles are "seriously" affected.
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adaliabooks: I doubt it's even that. It's not to do with Galaxy integration, tonnes of games have that and there are no reports of broken compatibility, it's the fact the Galaxy integration replaces Steamworks.

To my knowledge F: NV is the first Steamworks only game we've had here. It relied on that steam.dll to run, and in the Gog version it has been replaced with a galaxy.dll.

For whatever reason the steam.dll still works on XP (and the game still runs sans Steam with it in place) while the Galaxy one doesn't (as Galaxy doesn't support XP anyway).

So I'd imagine the only games effected are those that previously were Steam only and have Steam features. Any old games released before the advent of Steam should be fine, and any newer games may or may not work depending on how reliant on Galaxy functions they are (but any brand new game isn't going to be guaranteed to work on XP anyway).
Thanks for pointing this out.

IMO, it makes it much worse that GOG couldn't be arsed to NOT break the Steam dependency, since it's an exception -- and a rare one, at that.
Posted June 14, 2017
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DrakoPensulo: Ok, I read several posts on gog forums and it seems to me that if I had access to Galaxy.dll and GalaxyWrp.dll files I should be able to prepare a patch so that they are compatibile wit XP. Now, my question is: Is Fallout 3 the only game which contains these files or there are also others?
there are others
check out the games that support achievements:
https://www.gog.com/games?feature=achievements&sort=date&page=1
they all should link against Galaxy.dll, i think.

but it seems not all Galaxy.dll out there are the same. I checked the one distributed with RebelGalaxy and it doesn't use the function that prevents Fallout from working on WinXP.


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Aemony: Right now it only seems to be Fallout: New Vegas, but any new title on GOG that comes with Galaxy integration will most likely be effected. It's also possible that if GOG starts patching old games with the new features that they as well will be affected, though in that case you can simply downgrade or disable auto-updates for those titles and you'll be able to play them on XP still.

So really, only completely new titles are "seriously" affected.
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adaliabooks: I doubt it's even that. It's not to do with Galaxy integration, tonnes of games have that and there are no reports of broken compatibility, it's the fact the Galaxy integration replaces Steamworks.
maybe ..
but i doubt it
The galaxy.dll distributed with Gwent has the same problem.
I would speculate that it is simply a newer build than the versions previously deployed.

after all, galaxy is very much still in development.
Post edited June 14, 2017 by immi101
Posted June 14, 2017
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richlind33: Every single one of them IS running a newer OS.
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Cue for you to go off about how it isn't the "right" one, I suppose. o.O
Not sure I understand you: there have been several OS releases since XP, and XP has been retired. So if they're running XP, then they're not running a newer OS.
Posted June 14, 2017
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richlind33: Every single one of them IS running a newer OS.
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Cue for you to go off about how it isn't the "right" one, I suppose. o.O
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GR00T: Not sure I understand you: there have been several OS releases since XP, and XP has been retired. So if they're running XP, then they're not running a newer OS.
LINUX DISTROS, man! Linux distros. ;p
Posted June 14, 2017
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richlind33: LINUX DISTROS, man! Linux distros. ;p
Ah, well, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
Posted June 14, 2017
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richlind33: LINUX DISTROS, man! Linux distros. ;p
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GR00T: Ah, well, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
Different, but very much related.
Posted June 14, 2017
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DrakoPensulo: But, if a game run on XP in the past, it should run on XP nowadays as well.
Why ? There are plenty of old games sold here that no longer work on their original OS and there never was any guarantee that they would.
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DrakoPensulo: Is Fallout 3 the only game which contains these files or there are also others?
It's New Vegas, not Fallout 3
Post edited June 14, 2017 by Gersen
Posted June 14, 2017
<--- Grabs popcorn
<--- Enjoys thread
<--- Thinks of all the issues on Steam concerning dosbox (and/or utilizing old physical media with Win10) & having to reconfigure it (especially those times when you have to "re-mount" it & remembering the autoexec is your friend)
<--- Remembers the enjoyment of how much fun it is to solve a puzzle after spending hours to finally get things to work
Posted June 14, 2017
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GR00T: Nothing. But if your old rig can't run one of the newer OSes, it's also not realistic to expect to be catered to when software has moved on from an OS that was retired and is no longer supported.
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DrakoPensulo: But, if a game run on XP in the past, it should run on XP nowadays as well.
not if it is being made to run on modern OS's... which is kind of gOg's selling point... you know, taking old games and make them run on modern pc's. And XP is no longer one of them.
Posted June 14, 2017
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DrakoPensulo: Some people just do not want to spend money on a new computer while the old one is still working fine. What is bad about that?
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GR00T: Nothing. But if your old rig can't run one of the newer OSes, it's also not realistic to expect to be catered to when software has moved on from an OS that was retired and is no longer supported.
In fairness, this discussion is being held on a site that caters to people looking for old games, with titles going back to the early 80s. I find it a bit curious that people are chastised for running an OS that came out in 2001 but it's cool that we get releases from the 80s and 90s.
Posted June 14, 2017
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yogsloth: The optional client strikes again!
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HypersomniacLive: The saddest part is that a non-dummy steam_api.dll is the solution as it restores compatibility that was already there natively.
And of course there's no blue statement about this. [assuming this while on page 1... I wonder if I've to edit my post when "arriving" on p.4 ...]
Posted June 14, 2017
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HereForTheBeer: In fairness, this discussion is being held on a site that caters to people looking for old games, with titles going back to the early 80s. I find it a bit curious that people are chastised for running an OS that came out in 2001 but it's cool that we get releases from the 80s and 90s.
I disagree. See amok's post above yours.
Posted June 14, 2017
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HereForTheBeer: In fairness, this discussion is being held on a site that caters to people looking for old games, with titles going back to the early 80s. I find it a bit curious that people are chastised for running an OS that came out in 2001 but it's cool that we get releases from the 80s and 90s.
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GR00T: I disagree. See amok's post above yours.
Then you have no business complaining about Galaxy's diminishing optionality.

You're behind the curve, mang. Need to get with the times. o.O
Posted June 14, 2017
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GR00T: Nothing. But if your old rig can't run one of the newer OSes, it's also not realistic to expect to be catered to when software has moved on from an OS that was retired and is no longer supported.
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HereForTheBeer: In fairness, this discussion is being held on a site that caters to people looking for old games, with titles going back to the early 80s. I find it a bit curious that people are chastised for running an OS that came out in 2001 but it's cool that we get releases from the 80s and 90s.
This discussion is being held on a site that caters to people looing for old games to be playable on modern software and hardware. I find it a bit curious that you miss that critical element of GOG's business model.

If supporting XP means that certain features and stuff won't be available on modern software then they'll axe the support for XP, every time. Because otherwise why end with XP? Why shouldn't we go even farther back and start supporting ME, 2000, 98, NT 4.0, 95, Win3.11, Win2, Win1 and MS-DOS? I mean, that's what you're saying, right? That we should go against the whole core of GOG's identity?

Obviously the above was exaggerated a lot, but the point stands. GOG have never been about making those precious old games of yours playable on the original hardware and software they shipped on. It have always been the very opposite.
Posted June 14, 2017
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HereForTheBeer: In fairness, this discussion is being held on a site that caters to people looking for old games, with titles going back to the early 80s. I find it a bit curious that people are chastised for running an OS that came out in 2001 but it's cool that we get releases from the 80s and 90s.
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Aemony: ...but the point stands. GOG have never been about making those precious old games of yours playable on the original hardware and software they shipped on. It have always been the very opposite.
No, it doesn't, because it's based on mischaracterization. No one is asking GOG to *restore* compatibility.

I hope every one of you that's making excuses for shit attitude gets an extra large serving in RL -- preferably from someone you've been excusing.
Post edited June 14, 2017 by richlind33
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