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So despite literature clearly showing she is white.. they are going to cast a non white specifically for the role. I know its an adaptation but why do companies do this?. Is this a trendy (god awful one too) thing to do or something?.
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Yeshu: Ever seen the reality show SURVIVOR? they had a Men VS. Women competition at one point and the while the guys where making shelters and hunting food the women where sunbathing, forming clicks and bad mouthing each other.
Even in the thread going downhill, you're *~exceptional~*. Survivor is a show. For TV. "Reality" shows are managed and scripted. People want to see rugged bros making shelters and chicks with their tits out sensually rubbing sunscreen on each other.
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Yeshu: Ever seen the reality show SURVIVOR? they had a Men VS. Women competition at one point and the while the guys where making shelters and hunting food the women where sunbathing, forming clicks and bad mouthing each other.
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Starmaker: Even in the thread going downhill, you're *~exceptional~*. Survivor is a show. For TV. "Reality" shows are managed and scripted. People want to see rugged bros making shelters and chicks with their tits out sensually rubbing sunscreen on each other.
You didn't even watch the video have you?
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I'm not familiar enough with The Witcher to know how important and how explicit the "racial" traits of its characters are. From what I understand, it's a fantasy world, so it's not exactly the same as anachronic northern gaul diversities in an Asterix adaptation or african re-casts in homerian mythology.

Thing is, even if there are reasons to roll eyes (if the books are super specifically super importantly defined by the phenotypical realities of a given region in a given moment of history), I also note that the internet outrage mostly comes from the same people who were also shedding tears of blood at the skin colour change of marvel characters or at the "sudden" inclusion of women and blacks in the star wars universe, so, yeah, limited credibility.

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Just wanted to put it in the broader context of tv series adaptations. Books being mangled for the tv screen is the rule. They're adaptation, not transposition. Adaptation to a different media, adaptation to a different public, adaptation to different intents. It's a reappropriation, really, always closer to "inspired by" than to "transcribed from". As such, the level of faithfulness is always cringeworthy for fans of the original source. I mean, do "Walking Dead" readers watch the "Walking Dead" series ? What do they recognize in it ? What about miniseries like Le Carré's "The night manager" ? Or Sherlock Holmes stories ?

They're always their own thing, in their own universe. I'm not particularly interested in The Witcher (maybe it'll change if I play the game some day), but, good or bad, I wouldn't assume this series to be representing the novels or the books. Like Stalker, it will be -and kinda has to be- three strories in three distinct worlds, sharing some names and vague concepts. Given that, making a big deal of some secondary character's skin colour in particular is futile.

But of course, we know it's not about adaptation faithfulness. It's, magically, only when a change pertains to skin colour or minority representations that you get such outrage. Which aspects of adaptations are such big stakes on the internet is not random.
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Telika: I'm not familiar enough with The Witcher to know how important and how explicit the "racial" traits of its characters are. From what I understand, it's a fantasy world, so it's not exactly the same as anachronic northern gaul diversities in an Asterix adaptation or african re-casts in homerian mythology.

Thing is, even if there are reasons to roll eyes (if the books are super specifically super importantly defined by the phenotypical realities of a given region in a given moment of history), I also note that the internet outrage mostly comes from the same people who were also shedding tears of blood at the skin colour change of marvel characters or at the "sudden" inclusion of women and blacks in the star wars universe, so, yeah, limited credibility.

Still :

Just wanted to put it in the broader context of tv series adaptations. Books being mangled for the tv screen is the rule. They're adaptation, not transposition. Adaptation to a different media, adaptation to a different public, adaptation to different intents. It's a reappropriation, really, always closer to "inspired by" than to "transcribed from". As such, the level of faithfulness is always cringeworthy for fans of the original source. I mean, do "Walking Dead" readers watch the "Walking Dead" series ? What do they recognize in it ? What about miniseries like Le Carré's "The night manager" ? Or Sherlock Holmes stories ?

They're always their own thing, in their own universe. I'm not particularly interested in The Witcher (maybe it'll change if I play the game some day), but, good or bad, I wouldn't assume this series to be representing the novels or the books. Like Stalker, it will be -and kinda has to be- three strories in three distinct worlds, sharing some names and vague concepts. Given that, making a big deal of some secondary character's skin colour in particular is futile.

But of course, we know it's not about adaptation faithfulness. It's, magically, only when a change pertains to skin colour or minority representations that you get such outrage. Which aspects of adaptations are such big stakes on the internet is not random.
Yeah how dare all those racists expect a faithful take on the books. Conversely, when casting a minority in place of a white actor, it's considered stunning and brave.
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Telika: But of course, we know it's not about adaptation faithfulness. It's, magically, only when a change pertains to skin colour or minority representations that you get such outrage.
You mean like the outrage when Scarlet Johansson was cast to play in Ghost in the Shell or when Tilda Swinton was cast as the old one in Doctor Strange or maybe the shit storm because a Chinese director dared cast Matt Damon to play in his big budget monster flicks (The Great Wall) ?
Post edited September 08, 2018 by Gersen
As long as the actress isn't a dead fish like whoever played Aang in the Avatar film, it probably won't be a problem. Now THAT movie was a trainwreck...
Second reminder. This is not a topic about gender, yet i am seeing people posting MGTOW videos based on reality TV, hardly a quality source. The topic is the Netflix Witcher series and it's casting choices. Users who keep trying to derail the topic will be handed a 24-hour ban for ignoring repeated requests to stay on topic.
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Sogi-Ya: *groan*

https://comicbook.com/gaming/amp/2018/09/07/the-witcher-netflix-series-ciri-white-changes/

Just ... Why?

FFS, I am fine with colorblind casting if the actor is right for the part, but to just go "Nope: can't be white" and then on top of it to go with a minor when the series is explicitly graphic on both sex and violence, & if you read the books: Ciri ain't celebant ... Or straight.
You think that`s bad? The BBC makes Medieval shows with black women in positions of royalty in Medieval England when there`s no way in hell that would ever have happened. It`s not even am alternate reality, it`s depicted as historical!

It`s like having a white man play the part of a Zulu warrior in Africa!

By the way I`m black.
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Telika: I'm not familiar enough with The Witcher to know how important and how explicit the "racial" traits of its characters are. From what I understand, it's a fantasy world, so it's not exactly the same as anachronic northern gaul diversities in an Asterix adaptation or african re-casts in homerian mythology.
The Witcher world has a clear statement on peoples ethnicity. In the books we have people from Zanarkind (the Witchers equivalent of the middle East/Africa) pop up very rarely and they always grab the local populous attention as these kind of people are a rare site in these lands.

Not to mention, xenophobia and racism are a huge theme in the books and games so having Ciri be non white makes no sense lore wise.
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Sogi-Ya: You can read them now, Amazon has got them on kindle (physical too, I think ... I have just been reading the ebooks for convince) and they are good.
Oh don't get me wrong, I already have all of them sitting nicely on a bookshelf, waiting for me, but I'm reading something else at the moment. Plus, I've just finished The Witcher 3 GOTY and could use a monster-hunting break.

I know they're different from the games, as my better half has read almost all the books, finished all the games in the series and held several oratory monologues on the topic already :).

As for the TV series, let's wait for the end result and then we can throw rotten tomatoes at them if they deserve it or cheer them on for another season ;).
Post edited September 08, 2018 by WinterSnowfall
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amok: aye, if the show turns out to be great, but a character has the wrong color, I do indeed think you should not watch it. for the greater good all.
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darthspudius: I literally couldn't give a poop at this point. If they're willing to use the project as a political platform, I couldn't give a fuck. I'm simply not watching. I've had enough of that kind of pish already. I don't need to watch anything else of the sort.
as opposed to you lot, I attach no political thinigymabos to it all, but rather waiting to see if the series will be fun to watch or not.... but then, I have not made up my mind about it yet, as you have done, due to.... politics...
I don't like The Witcher and have no skin in this, but I would advise people to not necessarily politicize this. Why? It could just be a publicity stunt. A way to get buzz, any kind of buzz, even if it a ****-flinging contest. Best to ignore it and just watch the thing if the reviews turn out positive and it turns out to be respectful to the source material. Just don't give them the drama they want.
Man, this is the WORST!
It's just like that time they cast Idris Elba as Heimdal in that fictional movie series based on the fictional superhero based on Norse methology! The character being several shades darker than is traditionally expected totally objectively RUINED the character, and thus the whole series irredeemably! Might as well have her played by an Apache helicopter now!

I really hope they don't try to go for the annoying "Ye Olde English" style the translations I read were in. Made the books impossible for me to read.
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Sogi-Ya: *groan*

https://comicbook.com/gaming/amp/2018/09/07/the-witcher-netflix-series-ciri-white-changes/

Just ... Why?

FFS, I am fine with colorblind casting if the actor is right for the part, but to just go "Nope: can't be white" and then on top of it to go with a minor when the series is explicitly graphic on both sex and violence, & if you read the books: Ciri ain't celebant ... Or straight.
What does minority really mean for you ?