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Experience the epic conflict of Kain and Raziel in original form or with remastered graphics – Legacy of Kain™ Soul Reaver 1&2 Remastered is now available for on GOG!

Centuries after your former master, Kain, betrays and executes you, you rise again and embark on a relentless quest for revenge. Slay your former vampire brethren with your claws, bolts of telekinetic energy, and the elemental Wraith Blade. Grow stronger by devouring the souls of your enemies.

Now on GOG!
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AHF1349: I think not including the originals is more a support issue for studios like Nightdive. They remastere the titles with new assets and often you get the option to switch between the old and the new look. They don't bother making the original port of the game compatible with modern systems as opposed to GOG who do exactly that.
There last couple of ND remaster didn't have that option sadly. Switching back to original look of the game. Here the thing if the owner of the IP don't want to sell the original version anymore GOG can't do anything.
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AHF1349: I think not including the originals is more a support issue for studios like Nightdive. They remastere the titles with new assets and often you get the option to switch between the old and the new look. They don't bother making the original port of the game compatible with modern systems as opposed to GOG who do exactly that.
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Syphon72: There last couple of ND remaster didn't have that option sadly. Switching back to original look of the game. Here the thing if the owner of the IP don't want to sell the original version anymore GOG can't do anything.
You are right, the last titles titles where you could do that were actually by Aspyr but that is not my point. For IPs there are different levels of rights. Let's say you could get the rights for the single game "WarCraft: Orcs & Humans" that means you could sell it, port it to different platforms, etc. But you are *not* owning the WarCraft brand, means you cannot just suddenly make a WarCraft 4 or something like that.
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BanditKeith2: I assume the ones behind it figured the options to switch between o.g graphics and new graphics was more then enough was why they didn't include at least the first one given the second game is still up at least for now anyway won't be surprised if it vanishes soon too
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JAAHAS: Well they figured wrong, as some of us actually have some, if not all of our older gaming computers still in working condition and thus we would like to be able to run the latest compatible versions on them without having to commit into downloading and keeping every single update for every single game backed up in multiple backup sets until we can find the time to determine which pointless in-between versions we can safely delete, not to mention the fact that future customers with a collection of old computers might also be buying more games from GOG if the older, but relevant versions could still be downloaded for any game that is still sold here.
And I was not saying they was right if thats what they assumed, though the more likely case was more concerned with getting the most money via the newest version even then that'd not excuse atleast throwing in the old version as a extra ..aside from the fact many people would think ''its a extra so there must be official support for it'' when many times devs and publishers would just support the newest version rather then the old version tossed in as a extra/bonus
Been playing it, and I'm very underwhelmed. It's not a remaster at all. It's simply a mod of the original game at best. The textures for SR1 are great, but they messed up the day-night cycle making the game too dark at times. It is also now choppy with frametime stutters using original graphics. In other words...i think the work Wrace did is far superior to what is happening here.

SR2 already looked good, but they messed that up too. The reskinning is ok, but lacks facial animations. The textures are also downgraded in many many places.

The main issue here...Aspyr didn't do much at all. The director for this game is Raina Audron (real name I don't know). Raina Audron is not a professional at all, but merely the most obsessive LoK fan the world has ever seen. She also directed TR remasters. The only other real work she has ever done is a fan mod of the Saturn version of Soul Reaver. Hardly enough to get credentials to work professionally. As such, all these wacky decisions were made by her to suit how she wanted the game to be. Now, we have some clout chasing fan thinking they are awesome when they didn't do a damn thing at all, but modified someone else's work...poorly.

Worst of all, these are the folks who shit all over Wrace constantly for actually making the game work for 25 years on PC.

So, while i'm glad to see it back....these wacky fans need to sit down. I've never seen folks revel in work that is not theirs at all. Credit where it isn't due as it were.
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Mobeeuz: Common sense alert: GOG can't force publishers to keep games up for sale. If you don't already own a title that's been removed but wanted it, that's on you.
No sense at all.
Even GOG can do more tban they do. ZOOM-Platform also as example of better preserving behavior.
Publishers can do more - do anything. Its still our rights to demand from them.

So you suggest behind the words to silence for others. Its should be you who silenced here, either go gtfo. If you was right its one thing. You completely wrong and your agenda is wrong here, maybe even self-righnous too much. You miss sense here for sure. This is not right moment to tell people what to do or teach them. Very bad and danger position to let both publishers and storefronts decide what we want from them.
Post edited December 12, 2024 by QWEEDDYZ
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RizzoCuoco: Been playing it, and I'm very underwhelmed. It's not a remaster at all. It's simply a mod of the original game at best. The textures for SR1 are great, but they messed up the day-night cycle making the game too dark at times. It is also now choppy with frametime stutters using original graphics. In other words...i think the work Wrace did is far superior to what is happening here.

SR2 already looked good, but they messed that up too. The reskinning is ok, but lacks facial animations. The textures are also downgraded in many many places.

The main issue here...Aspyr didn't do much at all. The director for this game is Raina Audron (real name I don't know). Raina Audron is not a professional at all, but merely the most obsessive LoK fan the world has ever seen. She also directed TR remasters. The only other real work she has ever done is a fan mod of the Saturn version of Soul Reaver. Hardly enough to get credentials to work professionally. As such, all these wacky decisions were made by her to suit how she wanted the game to be. Now, we have some clout chasing fan thinking they are awesome when they didn't do a damn thing at all, but modified someone else's work...poorly.

Worst of all, these are the folks who shit all over Wrace constantly for actually making the game work for 25 years on PC.

So, while i'm glad to see it back....these wacky fans need to sit down. I've never seen folks revel in work that is not theirs at all. Credit where it isn't due as it were.
No one sh!t on Wrace, for any meaning of that. Except for himself. He otherhand do sh!t on community. He prohibited to share even what is not his work, and he make Soul Reaver 1 been rollbacked on GOG and probably why its not restored to store.

Ofc he would said its not his fault. He can do said whatever he wat. Dont you dare to say same sh!t. When it's just him its his issue, when its more - its ours all issue. You do worst han him. Moreover, you do blame here persons who unaware of Wrace and his behavior at all. Did Wrace himself knew someone - someone personally as you said here - sh!t on him?

>I've never seen folks revel in work that is not theirs at all

Erm... Which remade-remake you know is not "folks in work not their"? You know, all original game designers goes to kickstarter and unable to get enough money. When its coe to officially remaded games - publishers never brought original designer to work on it. Its always some random people working with random original version, not ultimate better not very original one. Just random platform region and revision. There is Crock Remaster where they said PlayStation version was original and base for remaster, while its a sega-sony port and worst of all 3 platforms version. Some cases worst, some easier. Soul Reaver 2 is ps2 game, sr1 at least ps1 are ok as original, better if they base on DreamCast. Crock and Driver dilogies are in more danger to be screwed since there is no superior versions there been each one have one advancements (even Driver 2 PS1 exclusive are - it has 4 revisions incl regional and modern devs should investigate them all).

As result, as another person. You just said no sense and no truth things. Its like you say Wrace mod is better, which is not truth - they not better of each other, having same functionality. By default remaster better in that - it wont alter original game. Wrace mod better - it alter original game and for free. Very depend on point of view.
Two misjudge here and above.
Post edited December 12, 2024 by QWEEDDYZ
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Mobeeuz: Common sense alert: GOG can't force publishers to keep games up for sale. If you don't already own a title that's been removed but wanted it, that's on you.
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QWEEDDYZ: No sense at all.
Even GOG can do more tban they do. ZOOM-Platform also as example of better preserving behavior.
Better behavior? They deal with the same issues as GOG, with games being delisted and only having a handful of titles to keep them going. What can GOG or ZP do when developers want their games removed? ZP tried stopping EA from removing all their games from the ZP store, but look what happened.

ZP has hard time even getting games on their store for preservation. It’s a bad statement.
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RizzoCuoco: Been playing it, and I'm very underwhelmed. It's not a remaster at all. It's simply a mod of the original game at best. The textures for SR1 are great, but they messed up the day-night cycle making the game too dark at times. It is also now choppy with frametime stutters using original graphics. In other words...i think the work Wrace did is far superior to what is happening here.

SR2 already looked good, but they messed that up too. The reskinning is ok, but lacks facial animations. The textures are also downgraded in many many places.

The main issue here...Aspyr didn't do much at all. The director for this game is Raina Audron (real name I don't know). Raina Audron is not a professional at all, but merely the most obsessive LoK fan the world has ever seen. She also directed TR remasters. The only other real work she has ever done is a fan mod of the Saturn version of Soul Reaver. Hardly enough to get credentials to work professionally. As such, all these wacky decisions were made by her to suit how she wanted the game to be. Now, we have some clout chasing fan thinking they are awesome when they didn't do a damn thing at all, but modified someone else's work...poorly.

Worst of all, these are the folks who shit all over Wrace constantly for actually making the game work for 25 years on PC.

So, while i'm glad to see it back....these wacky fans need to sit down. I've never seen folks revel in work that is not theirs at all. Credit where it isn't due as it were.
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QWEEDDYZ: No one sh!t on Wrace, for any meaning of that. Except for himself. He otherhand do sh!t on community. He prohibited to share even what is not his work, and he make Soul Reaver 1 been rollbacked on GOG and probably why its not restored to store.

Ofc he would said its not his fault. He can do said whatever he wat. Dont you dare to say same sh!t. When it's just him its his issue, when its more - its ours all issue. You do worst han him. Moreover, you do blame here persons who unaware of Wrace and his behavior at all. Did Wrace himself knew someone - someone personally as you said here - sh!t on him?

>I've never seen folks revel in work that is not theirs at all

Erm... Which remade-remake you know is not "folks in work not their"? You know, all original game esigners goes to kickstarter and unable to get enough money. When its coe to officially remaded games - publishers never brought original designer to work on it. Its always some random people working with random original version, not ultimate better not very original one. Just random platform region and revision. There is Crock Remaster where they said PlayStation version was original and base for remaster, while its a sega-sony port and worst of all 3 platforms version. Some cases worst, some easier. Soul Reaver 2 is ps2 game, sr1 at least ps1 are ok as original, better if they base on DreamCast. Crock and Driver dilogies are in more danger to be screwed since there is no superior versions there been each one have one advancements (even Driver 2 PS1 exclusive are - it has 4 revisions incl regional and modern devs should investigate them all).

As result, as another person. You just said no sense and no truth things. Its like you say Wrace mod is better, which is not truth - they not better of each other, having same functionality. By default remaster better in that - it wont alter original game. Wrace mod better - it alter original game and for free. Very depend on point of view.
Two misjudge here and above.
You know this is the English language forum, right? There is no translator on earth that can make this make any sense whatsoever. I cannot comprehend anything you try to say. Sorry...it's true.
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QWEEDDYZ: No one sh!t on Wrace, for any meaning of that. Except for himself. He otherhand do sh!t on community. He prohibited to share even what is not his work, and he make Soul Reaver 1 been rollbacked on GOG and probably why its not restored to store.

Ofc he would said its not his fault. He can do said whatever he wat. Dont you dare to say same sh!t. When it's just him its his issue, when its more - its ours all issue. You do worst han him. Moreover, you do blame here persons who unaware of Wrace and his behavior at all. Did Wrace himself knew someone - someone personally as you said here - sh!t on him?

>I've never seen folks revel in work that is not theirs at all

Erm... Which remade-remake you know is not "folks in work not their"? You know, all original game esigners goes to kickstarter and unable to get enough money. When its coe to officially remaded games - publishers never brought original designer to work on it. Its always some random people working with random original version, not ultimate better not very original one. Just random platform region and revision. There is Crock Remaster where they said PlayStation version was original and base for remaster, while its a sega-sony port and worst of all 3 platforms version. Some cases worst, some easier. Soul Reaver 2 is ps2 game, sr1 at least ps1 are ok as original, better if they base on DreamCast. Crock and Driver dilogies are in more danger to be screwed since there is no superior versions there been each one have one advancements (even Driver 2 PS1 exclusive are - it has 4 revisions incl regional and modern devs should investigate them all).

As result, as another person. You just said no sense and no truth things. Its like you say Wrace mod is better, which is not truth - they not better of each other, having same functionality. By default remaster better in that - it wont alter original game. Wrace mod better - it alter original game and for free. Very depend on point of view.
Two misjudge here and above.
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RizzoCuoco: You know this is the English language forum, right? There is no translator on earth that can make this make any sense whatsoever. I cannot comprehend anything you try to say. Sorry...it's true.
Guess I'm not alone.
Okay... i guess we should remove some "steam" here and let it create unnecessary heat at another place, in which it might become banned pretty quick (on a side note).

According to my judgement, those things i would say are true:

Statement from QWEEDDYZ

I can not quote all the "fragments" here as, i do agree he got a complicated language and paired with some unnecessary heat toward some users (including modders), which is creating... sheesh, even more heat.

Still, i do agree "Wrace" which was the creator of a "SR1 mod solution" with some own works and probably as well many "foreign works". It was probably up to the remaster-release, the almost only mod-solution (in my experience, because i got nothing to work properly) able to get SR1 to run on PC in any sufficient manner, as well with improved textures (hence the rather big mod size). I am talking about Soul Reaver 1 now... not any other game.

Indeed, i am not sure what has happened in the background or why it came to this behavior of this mod-solution creator but at some point he seemed very upset with the community. Perhaps he has been accused of using "foreign material" which is a rather common issue for many creators and/or he is simply in general not one of the "kind creators"... i can not say. Still, without properly knowing the entire background i am not gonna make a "hard judgement" here, no way. Whats clear is simply, at some point he was denying users to host his work or offering it at all. I guess the reaction was "it is not really your work or not your whole work anyway... who cares"... anything going into this direction and indeed, it will not make anyone calm down, very unlikely. Fact is: He was doing a lot of work and most other people was not doing any work... so this fact should be honored, always.

Now, the other statements:

Regarding Raina Audron: Of course she got a bonus in sympathy from me because Dreamcast is the most awesome console ever made and if anyone is not agreeing it, i do simply agree to disagree. Anyway, not trying to make anyone blush here, i think... the HD mod which was created for the console version seemed pretty impressive and still very close to the "original intention", i would say it can produce some great results having a "fan" working on it. I think, many textures was from the "old HD mod" and some new stuff has been added on the "PC Remaster". Some people may rather enjoy the old HD mod and some people may prefer the PC Remaster. In my mind, both versions are pretty good, although the old HD mod is even more close to the original... but without a "classic-switch" of course.

Regarding the accusation of "incompetence": It does not matter if someone was actually already creating another game or "only" was creating mods or upgrades into a existing game: As long as the work is well done it is not worse nor better; because ultimately what counts is the result... now being pretty pragmatic here. I am pretty happy with the results so far and i am glad i can now enjoy playing this old classic on PC another time or actually the first time ever (i did not try out the Wrace mod, it was just to complicated to me and my time is simply limited).

Besides: Not enjoying it GOG removing the classic version. It did not really work for me but it should still be included for archiving purposes. I still got it in my archive because i was getting it before we got the Remaster. New users may not be able to get it anymore, it seems.
Post edited December 12, 2024 by Xeshra
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Nuv3: If GOG has no control over what is being sold, then what kind of "game preservation" we are talking about?
Today we are selling.. no, preserving! this game, but tomorrow , oops, it's gone, we are going to "preserve" something else. How convenient..
I blame the industry in general because there should be a better "consumer protection" available but instead the entire rules related to digital content, especially games, are still pretty "one sided". Many of those rules are not even made by law but instead kinda "soft enforced" by the biggest forces on the market, even without any regular law.

Which are the biggest forces able make some changes for better consumer rights and the protection of their interest? Sure... Steam... Sony, Nintendo... and to a certain extend even MS. GOG and EGS are both kinda "lost"... albeit i would still consider GOG with currently more power vs. EGS, as they offer something pretty unique which is slowly becoming considered even more by many gamers.

No matter what, the fact is... the rules considering consumer friendly approaches are mainly done by those "big parties" and they do not really show a lot of interest for improving matters.

Sony made a lot of profit this year... so, they are nowhere from being gone or done... i would say they are part of the "biggest forces" still and unfortunately... their sometimes (with the release of some GOG games) consumer friendly approach kinda has dropped a good margin in 2024. They still made good profit, so apparently the consumers are accepting it.

The solution is very simple: As long as consumers are accepting "lesser rights" there will be lesser rights. Rights is power and almost no one is giving away rights = power if they succeed without giving it away. If i could sell a bag of city smoke for the same price like a bag with clean mountain air... it is clear i would not sell the valuable mountain air, no need. Unless i am a angel but... most likely i am still a human yet, sorry!
Post edited December 12, 2024 by Xeshra
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QWEEDDYZ: No sense at all.
Even GOG can do more tban they do. ZOOM-Platform also as example of better preserving behavior.
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Syphon72: Better behavior? They deal with the same issues as GOG, with games being delisted and only having a handful of titles to keep them going. What can GOG or ZP do when developers want their games removed? ZP tried stopping EA from removing all their games from the ZP store, but look what happened.

ZP has hard time even getting games on their store for preservation. It’s a bad statement.
Point is ZP do care. And take feedback. You can ask for bringing new or back delisted title and they try and tell you what they can tell. I doubt GOG care most of times. I do suppose they do care for Warcraft, but doubt they do care for Soul Reaver 1 especially when they can sold Remasters. Just like publisher itself.

We have rights to ask them trying and demand from publishers to actually bring back. Because i WISH to be LAWFUL customer. If i do have good behavior why I can't ask that here? I think you agreed with me, this have sense, right?

RizzoCuoco
You tell me what i knew. Im bad at english (also some typos from s* android keyboards, you need to be good at eng to understand typos/grammar in my text, which is still my fault). Do you good at it? Apparently there is some "translator". At least partially. Its up to you and your behavior.

I try one more time. You did here a very bad thing. You blame misjudge and insult specific person for no reason. Not matter for Wrace. You did sh!t here. I dont even see how some LoK fans can sh!t on Wrace unless it was him come to someone and start teaching them how real fan should do the mod-fixes. Idk if Wrace do that, i doubt, i know he blame only GOG and a bit less SE and Steam There is chance you did made up this conflict. Which is irrelevant. Wrace behavior on forums more questionable. But whatever Wrace person...

Another one person did it against other forum members, no one specifically, and in a bit accurate way. Both of you come with bad behavior of teaching and blaming random and spcific fanbase memebers been completely wrong yourself. Someone pose them above others here.

I can say something about Wrace what is not necessary to be said. And i feel like i can lost it, lose the sense and do what should not be done here, bring some stuff, forcing to defend Raina and Truth itself. Something games-unrelated. Dont force me do that. Lets talk about Remaster's.

Devs (publisher) here actually hire someone who actually care? Its miracle!
Post edited December 12, 2024 by QWEEDDYZ
Apparently a AI tool could improve the shape... so it may create a shape easier to be understood by the sheer majority. I still find it lame if ya ask me... in term a AI is exceeding the own capabilities in being able to create a better shape. Perhaps humans are not that supreme anymore and there is a reason why many creators of certain AI functionalities was considering their work as "to dangerous for humankind"; they was unable to bear it anymore and was even stepping down from their work.
Post edited December 12, 2024 by Xeshra
Again...no one who speaks English can understand a word of what you are saying. It's absolute gibberish. I'm not wasting my time even trying to decipher the randomness of it all. I suggest you stick to your native language and quit trying to write in English. It's horrendous at best. If you can't speak it...move on.........
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Syphon72: Better behavior? They deal with the same issues as GOG, with games being delisted and only having a handful of titles to keep them going. What can GOG or ZP do when developers want their games removed? ZP tried stopping EA from removing all their games from the ZP store, but look what happened.

ZP has hard time even getting games on their store for preservation. It’s a bad statement.
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QWEEDDYZ: Point is ZP do care. And take feedback. You can ask for bringing new or back delisted title and they try and tell you what they can tell. I doubt GOG care most of times. I do suppose they do care for Warcraft, but doubt they do care for Soul Reaver 1 especially when they can sold Remasters. Just like publisher itself.

We have rights to ask them trying and demand from publishers to actually bring back. Because i WISH to be LAWFUL customer. If i do have good behavior why I can't ask that here? I think you agreed with me, this have sense, right?

RizzoCuoco
You tell me what i knew. Im bad at english (also some typos from s* android keyboards, you need to be good at eng to understand typos/grammar in my text, which is still my fault). Do you good at it? Apparently there is some "translator". At least partially. Its up to you and your behavior.
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Post edited December 12, 2024 by RizzoCuoco
He said "it is up to you and your behavior". I think this is a very clear message. A language is always in need of a high resilience and tolerance, especially in a international community... else, no matter how well any language can be handled, it may lack understanding as soon as it is outside the "well known territory".