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mechmouse: I recently found out how deluded the upper ranks of these places are, after a conversation with an EA director.

Who vehemently believes under certain circumstances using physical media on one Xbox can boot someone off a second xbox with a different physical disc.
Not that I care a whit about consoles, but this basically sums up why "executive" is the keyword in this story. If this were a story about there being substantial consensus among people on the tech end of things that, within 5-10 years, game streaming would be the new normal, I'd consider it worthwhile news.

When it comes from an 'executive', however, you gotta bear in mind that you're dealing with some pointy-haired MBA whose only purpose in life is to get quarterly earnings reports to look good to shareholders. He'd be just as happy doing it for Wal-Mart, or Amazon, or Domino's Pizza as he would Ubisoft, and probably knows about as much about the product as your grandma who keeps opening those Nigerian prince emails.
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vidsgame: Another workaround to that is getting those NUC motherboards with that Vega gpu. That one gaming NUC had it. It was an ultra thin Vega gpu paired with a Kabylake, I think. Pretty wild but it cost twice as much as a console. It was a Devil's Canyon NUC or something.
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Phasmid: Hades Canyon == kabylakeG, it's just different namings. 4c8t kabylake cpu and (up to) 24 Vega cores with 4GB HBM2. Certainly not a cheap option though. Pretty sure there's at least one model with fewer Vega cores which is cheaper, as it's the first commercial use of 2GB HBM2 stacks.

(Devil's Canyon was Intel's Haswell refresh, 4790k etc.)
Ah okay. Hmm. A NUC motherboard with a slot for that GPU, granted that motherboard would have to have a spot for the GPU off the Hades and of course in a hypothetical scenario where they would sell the GPU on its own. However, even NUC motherboards are expensive right now on their own and of course, there is no way they would sell that GPU on its own unless I'm missing something.
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amok: Have you tried games like Ode, Grow Home / Grow Up, Child of Light and Atomega?
fair enough
Signs, signs everywhere.. ; )

What I'm really afraid is, this solution can be easily pushed in the very next few years. The first big step to this direction was Windows 10 I believe. Some complained, some were looking forward, some even left MS OS but in general, MS won the battle. Even if may seem like their decisions are a bit chaotic, they may have a plan of some sort. I have no idea if Guillemot has any connections with MS, but that's not impossible. MS throwing money like a drunken sailor lately. Anyone remember rumors about MS plans to buy EA or Valve?
So far MS makes customers dependent on their services, pushing own solutions wherever they can, even for free. Xbox might be not leading platform yet, but MS selling games as cheap as chips most of time and throwing away game passes from their filthy sleeves. Will they start running out of money before achieving their goals?
I know, supposed to be more about ubi and game streaming but I think the subject is very expansive, not limited to gaming industry only. Look at us, many here (myself including) started gaming life when hard copies were the only way. Who'd have thought we'd move to digital distribution? Do we have any serious choice today? Personally I'm not using streaming services like Netfix or such, I'd rather find a way similar to GOG when discs become history. If there will be one in the future..
As I said, subject is not limited, we have already less and less control over the software and hardware (I'm thinking about leading programming languages). All of this, in a wider perspective may lead to Harrison Bergeron world.
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BKGaming: There is also the issue that, at-least here in the states, internet seems to be getting progressively worse.. not better. Your big cable companies own most of the ISP's here and they are not going to let streaming replace their traditional business which is why we have bandwidth caps, etc. 4K is also starting to take off now, and with movies pushing 100GB in size, and internet getting worse, I have feeling we may see a significant shift back to physical media soon.

Let's take for example Comcast, in a lot of places they have a 1 TB limit. Download a few 4K movies and a couple of games and there is your internet gone for the month.
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Desmight: I didn't know that the internet situation in the US was that bad (edit: apart from the whole net neutrality thing), I find it funny because here in Italy people actually think that in the rest of the world the internet connections are way better than ours, but it seems that it really isn't the case.
The major issue is that cable companies don't want to spend the money to replace traditional lines with fiberoptics in large population areas with pre-existing outdated infrastructure in place. They want to continue to milk that for money, despite standard cable lines being much less efficient, less speedy, yada yada yada. The irony here is, countries that don't have preexisting infrastructure in place are far more attractive to put down highspeed internet lines, specifically due to that fact. It's a lot like the highway/road situation in the US, everyone complains about how bad it's becoming, but no one wants to spend the money to improve or replace it.

It's also making small towns that don't have a lot of cable lines ran to begin with, be the focal point of fiberoptics lines, because of the reasons I've stated above. Hopefully, some of the smaller, more agile companies come to see it as an opportunity to exploit Time Warner's and Comcast's unwillingness to spend money as a chance for them to steal marketshare. Otherwise, these large corps will continue to not be prepared for 4k, and the inevitable higher resolutions that will follow, and in that void, hardware manufacturers will step in. So, I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

It's also why streaming won't have any realistic market penetration in the US until those factors are fixed.

My opinions on Ubisoft are fuck 'em. They've become out of touch with their market, and release mainly tired crap anyway.
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Phasmid: Hades Canyon == kabylakeG, it's just different namings. 4c8t kabylake cpu and (up to) 24 Vega cores with 4GB HBM2. Certainly not a cheap option though. Pretty sure there's at least one model with fewer Vega cores which is cheaper, as it's the first commercial use of 2GB HBM2 stacks.

(Devil's Canyon was Intel's Haswell refresh, 4790k etc.)
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vidsgame: Ah okay. Hmm. A NUC motherboard with a slot for that GPU, granted that motherboard would have to have a spot for the GPU off the Hades and of course in a hypothetical scenario where they would sell the GPU on its own. However, even NUC motherboards are expensive right now on their own and of course, there is no way they would sell that GPU on its own unless I'm missing something.
The Vega24 is integrated onto the chip, so it can't be sold separately- and a standalone card would likely be more expensive than their Polaris based 570 anyway so yeah, not going to sell it separately. 7nm might make it more economic.
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vidsgame: Ah okay. Hmm. A NUC motherboard with a slot for that GPU, granted that motherboard would have to have a spot for the GPU off the Hades and of course in a hypothetical scenario where they would sell the GPU on its own. However, even NUC motherboards are expensive right now on their own and of course, there is no way they would sell that GPU on its own unless I'm missing something.
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Phasmid: The Vega24 is integrated onto the chip, so it can't be sold separately- and a standalone card would likely be more expensive than their Polaris based 570 anyway so yeah, not going to sell it separately. 7nm might make it more economic.
In the Hades canyon? I thought it was separate. Like a MXM card or a laptop gpu. Maybe MXM and the laptop gpu are the same thing.
This is worring, expecially because many people would simply adapt to this s**t.
I already can't stand movie and music streaming..
This would mean no more DRM-free, offline SP, old games and modding..
Also, this will probably require a monthly subscription (for each service?).
Post edited June 09, 2018 by phaolo