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drewpants: It is known that some studies suggest it is harmful, others suggest that it is far less harmful than is often claimed - so the result is that is disputed and not proven, which is a pretty poor reason to impose bans.
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0Grapher: Of course it is harmful. I don't really care if it's less harmful or more harmful than some people claim but it is definitely harmful.
Besides it even can result in a non-smoker becoming addicted to nicotine.

If you have a habit that is bound to bother other people one would expect you to still be considerate of these people.
If you're addicted to nicotine that's not my problem- I expect of any smoker to be considerate of other people.
I think treating someone like a leper because they smoke is a little much, but you're right, it's very harmful, and claiming it's not is something a tobacco lobbyist would do. Just in case someone isn't aware and slightly OT, the tobacco lobby in the U.S. still refuses to officially come out and admit that nicotine is addictive. I smoked when I had cancer! XD Oh yeah, it's not addictive. :P
Post edited July 15, 2015 by tinyE
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tinyE: Don't you think you're being a little harsh to White Anglo Saxon People?
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pigdog: Nope. They're all bastards too :)
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NoNewTaleToTell: And/or W.A.S.P. the band?
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pigdog: I didn't know they did Wild Child. I particularly like their liberally titled album "The Headless Children" and song "Animal (I fuck like a beast)"
Yeah W.A.S.P. were actually really good, Blackie was/is a top notch vocalist (at least in the studio). If you haven't heard it, you might like The Crimson Idol, a great concept album they did.
Φοργεττινγ το σςιτψη βαψκ το λατιν κεζβοαρδ. Ανδ ρεαλιυινγ ιτ αφτερ ηαωινγ τζπεδ α ςηολε σεντενψε *ορ αφτερ ηαωινγ λαθνψηεδ τηε γοογλε σεαρψη(.

Ιτ πισσεσ με το νο ενδ.
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Telika: Φοργεττινγ το σςιτψη βαψκ το λατιν κεζβοαρδ. Ανδ ρεαλιυινγ ιτ αφτερ ηαωινγ τζπεδ α ςηολε σεντενψε *ορ αφτερ ηαωινγ λαθνψηεδ τηε γοογλε σεαρψη(.

Ιτ πισσεσ με το νο ενδ.
If you don't want to be understood why don't you write in Greek?

Edit:OK, forgetting to switch back to Latin keyboard would explain it
Post edited July 16, 2015 by 0Grapher
Franchise crossovers and pre-grated cheese.
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drewpants: It is known that some studies suggest it is harmful, others suggest that it is far less harmful than is often claimed - so the result is that is disputed and not proven, which is a pretty poor reason to impose bans.
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0Grapher: Of course it is harmful. I don't really care if it's less harmful or more harmful than some people claim but it is definitely harmful.
Besides it even can result in a non-smoker becoming addicted to nicotine.

If you have a habit that is bound to bother other people one would expect you to still be considerate of these people.
If you're addicted to nicotine that's not my problem- I expect of any smoker to be considerate of other people.
'Of course it is harmful' - like of course the world was flat until people actually bothered to check it out.

I'm not a smoker because it bothers my girl friend, so I take your point, but banning things based on 'I don't like it' and heavily disputed science really bugs me.


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0Grapher: Of course it is harmful. I don't really care if it's less harmful or more harmful than some people claim but it is definitely harmful.
Besides it even can result in a non-smoker becoming addicted to nicotine.

If you have a habit that is bound to bother other people one would expect you to still be considerate of these people.
If you're addicted to nicotine that's not my problem- I expect of any smoker to be considerate of other people.
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tinyE: I think treating someone like a leper because they smoke is a little much, but you're right, it's very harmful, and claiming it's not is something a tobacco lobbyist would do. Just in case someone isn't aware and slightly OT, the tobacco lobby in the U.S. still refuses to officially come out and admit that nicotine is addictive. I smoked when I had cancer! XD Oh yeah, it's not addictive. :P
You are aware that most of the anti-smoking charities and groups like the World Health Organization have lobbyists, which all get paid to fight for whatever they are being paid to fight for right? That's why this debate is so impossible to answer - both sides are a vested interest, which is cold hard cash and not the truth.

My argument is simply that it shouldn't be okay to ban something and curb civil liberties based on something that is so contended and unestablished.

I wonder what non-smokers who live with non-smokers who get cancer will want to ban...cars...plastic...carbon...cancer...the use of the letter C...
Post edited July 21, 2015 by drewpants
I would love the Government to ban tobacco and make it illegal to smoke.
And make very heavy penalties for smoking (even imprisonment) as I am
a heavy smoker and (do not want to give them up).I do realize the damage
I'm doing to my body.
This is result of banning in our prisons:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/inmates-riot-at-melbournes-ravenhall-prison-ahead-of-smoking-ban/story-e6frg6nf-1227421822467
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gunsynd: I would love the Government to ban tobacco and make it illegal to smoke.
And make very heavy penalties for smoking (even imprisonment) as I am
a heavy smoker and (do not want to give them up).I do realize the damage
I'm doing to my body.
This is result of banning in our prisons:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/inmates-riot-at-melbournes-ravenhall-prison-ahead-of-smoking-ban/story-e6frg6nf-1227421822467
Yup - it's prohibition all over again and didn't that go well! ;-)
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gunsynd: I would love the Government to ban tobacco and make it illegal to smoke.
And make very heavy penalties for smoking (even imprisonment) as I am
a heavy smoker and (do not want to give them up).I do realize the damage
I'm doing to my body.
This is result of banning in our prisons:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/inmates-riot-at-melbournes-ravenhall-prison-ahead-of-smoking-ban/story-e6frg6nf-1227421822467
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drewpants: Yup - it's prohibition all over again and didn't that go well! ;-)
Well,the baddies made a profit:-)
The fact that, yet again, another black trans woman has been murdered. Really, this has been happening way too often.

http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2015/07/22/tampa-fla-sees-tenth-trans-woman-murdered-us-2015
http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2015/07/another-black-trans-woman-killed-in.html?m=1

Also, I hate it when the media misgenders a transgender person, like apparently happend in this case.

(Reminder, if you see any articles about a transgender person on a mainstream website, *do not read the comments*. Some of them can be pretty vile and may piss you off even more.)
I hate it when games I want are super fucking expensive.
And I hate how Pewdiepie earns millions by doing nothing but sitting on his ass and screaming into a mic in front a webcam.
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pigdog: I'm pretty sure I've contributed to this thread already but I have another hate to add.......wasps. They're bastard creatures that don't have enough natural predators AND they're fuckers AND they're evil AND..
Your words basically describe 99% of Earth's population. There is nothing unique about WASPs other than their obsession with being fake aka "polite" all the time.
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JKHSawyer: I hate extremely slow/stupid/high/rude customers. Fuck off and die.
I hate small talk, it feels so forced and fake so I always just silently stare at anyone who does it.
I hate complete narcissists. Most annoying people on the planet to deal with.
I hate blind optimism.
I hate these things too, with a passion. Whenever someone unleashes small talk on me, I just ignore that person like he or she doesn't exist. I make exceptions for people I like though. If I like someone, i will put up with their small talk bullshit.
Post edited July 22, 2015 by monkeydelarge
I hate trolls. Annoying creatures that should be slowly boiled in hot oil...
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Ghostbreed: I hate it when games I want are super fucking expensive.
And I hate how Pewdiepie earns millions by doing nothing but sitting on his ass and screaming into a mic in front a webcam.
I only watched one of his "let's plays" and do not understand how people can stand to listen to the constant talking. I like it more when the game is the main topic presented, plays the main role and not when the game is only a vehicle to promote bad jokes and ones exaggerated opinion of oneself.

I like ChristopherOdd a thousand times more than that pew guy.
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viperfdl: I hate trolls. Annoying creatures that should be slowly boiled in hot oil...
Everyone is guilty of being a troll, at least several times a month or a week. It would be impossible to live your entire life without trolling one single person. It is human nature to piss off people you don't like or hate, is it not? So you basically said all of humanity deserves to be slowly boiled in hot oil. How many Westerners say something negative about Muslims every day on the internet? The majority of the Western world trolls the Muslim world on a daily basis. People who don't have mainstream beliefs get trolled by the majority of people on this Earth, almost everyday too. If you look back at history, you will see that there was a lot of blood being spilled and destruction because of trolling. If I remember correctly, this one Shah trolled Ghenghis Khan once and it made Ghenghis Khan so angry he erased the Shah's entire empire off the map. Not even cats and dogs were spared.

Maybe you are talking about a certain type of troll. The ones who troll random people for laughs?
Post edited July 22, 2015 by monkeydelarge