dtgreene: Problems with sports: … There's always a loser. (Encountering sore winners as a child is one thing that contributes to me having an issue with this.)
GameRager: That's just how life is, though… in life there's always a loser in most things/events. … People who lose will either try harder (and get better physically/mentally/spiritually through being tested as a result), or realize that their chosen hobby/profession isn't really a good fit and they will go on to try other things that they
WILL excel in. … People who "lose" actually win by developing thicker skin/stronger character.
GreasyDogMeat: This is one of the most valuable life lessons a person will learn.
+1
dtgreene: … there doesn't need to be competition with other people for the term "winner" to have any meaning. …
I can get into a lava lamp in a club, sure, but sports are on in a social setting to be a background for people to talk over and prompt verbal participation when the conversation stalls in the pub (O, did you see that goal?, etc.) where sport is a useful proxy for human endeavour and (ever-present) competition.
dtgreene: … more relevant to the "sore winners" comment … many people feel that they don't have permission to lose. …
Pathology is no excuse for demonizing legitimate praxis.
dtgreene: … I consider any suggestion to grow thicker skin to be quite offensive …
That's a shame, since some tempering is good and necessary, lest we all be hyper-sensitive to (and hyper-vigilant for) "unintentional" insults and "micro-aggressions". It creates a vicious cycle of confirmation bias. (It's not all about you, etc.)
I'm not excusing hate-speak, though; deliberate attacks for mean reasons are not acceptable, but a sense of balance and a modicum of humility are good for mental health, and something that is not promoted in the current hostile climate of offence-taking.
GameRager: If an event/sport has one set winner (usually among two teams/players) according to points scored/time spent, then no … not everyone can or should win.
dtgreene: If the event has just one set winner, then it is an event that I would prefer to avoid.
Yes, but other people actually prefer it.
Generally, it's a testosterone thing, because males are programmed to compete, and then they are friends; whereas females are more socially-constructive, aiming to make friends. (And then they compete! :)
GameRager: 2. Why? Why is the thought of someone losing so hard to accept? We all lose at something at some point. In those cases it's best to remember the old mantra of changing what you can (for the better), accepting that some things can't be changed/bettered to a significant degree (in this case losing at some things because of lack of skill/talent/luck/etc), and knowing how to tell the difference & live with it
dtgreene: The problem isn't so much losing, but rather … when … someone loses because of the actions of others
Failure is a natural part of life. Banning failure won’t prevent competition. Learning to fail is an essential mental proficiency, since nobody is perfect and failure is a reliable step to success, given insight and determination (which are also concomitant and very important soft skills).
dtgreene: … Losing to someone who is a good sport and has the mindset of a teacher could definitely be a good learning experience. …
Exactly.
paladin181: Teaching children to win and lose gracefully is the parents' responsibility. …
And one that was lost in the 70s progressive parent experiment (acting as "friends"). Now we have a culture that cannot gracefully lose: "Not my president", etc.
Like the mayor in
Robocop: "I wan'na recount. … And this time, I wan'na win!"
Emob78: … I used to think that technology would help save us. Now it's kind of the opposite.
They have a saying in comedy. They say your job is to always be entertaining the dumbest person in the room. I think you could make the same statement now for tech. In the 90s we were talking about an open source, free internet that would help people gain true knowledge and level the playing field against those in power. Now we're shadow banning people on Twitter because they said they didn't like Kim Kardassian's new hair-do … it is truly sad to watch unfold.
I guess open source (because it is anarchic) leads to no responsibility (no one to defend "their" tech). Probably requires some Tech Knights to police the interwebs, but then we have institutional corruption as well, and Knights Templar, etc.
It's the old Microsoft Windows-versus-Linux trope; without Microsoft there wouldn't be an internet, or at least one as ubiquitous as we have, and without Linux we'd all be scanning out bar-coded foreheads to access our home television to watch the authorized news and receive a discount on our evening game play.
The truth is evolution, which includes human society, is a
Red Queen proposition, and the "job" is never finished.
paladin181: Smart phones in general. … Is it really so important to be connected RIGHT NOW that you can't wait until you get to your destination?
DadJoke007: I hate smartphones and the zombiefied idiot culture that it created. …
paladin181: Basically this.
It is a mistake to believe that Facebook,
et alia, just "happened". There are some very smart and well paid people in Silicon Valley who have designed software to be addictive and (at least initially) useful, so that they can monetize their intellectual property for maximum gain.
toxicTom: First the mobile phones: Suddenly seemingly everyone around was loudly announcing their most private things in public, not caring if people around would listen in...
Now with the smartphones people have secluded into their own private worlds - ears shut by earbuds, environment drowned out by music, and the eyes fixed on the display.
For many reasons, consumers are prevented from anything that might distract them from consuming.
Like, for instance, some peace to think about important rather than urgent actions they need to do.
Better to hector them, create a feeling of imbalance, make them feel anxious for not keeping connected (FoMO).
It's a business strategy to maximize profits, since there is no (direct business) cost involved. The indirect cost is, since the invention of the smartphone, depression and suicide rates have more than quadrupled for both boys and girls. (The young are vulnerable to the thought that what they see is the truth: all those "influencers" live the fantastic lives they purport.)
The only defence I can conceive is education.
Emob78: … I saw it coming back in the Myspace days and even got rid of that around 2006 or so. Once Google grabbed up Youtube I deleted my account there as well. Only way to get in touch with me now is through cell or private email. Because of social media, my presence online has become limited basically to email and a few forums like this one. I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. …
+1
timppu: … Which reminds me that earlier "wireless" (no power cord) used to mean that you do use removable batteries. … I wonder why that has changed? …
Steve Jobs specifically chose integrated batteries because, to be removable, a battery must have protection for both human hands and the delicate internal circuitry, which adds weight and thus cost to the device. Everyone else just followed the lead, I suppose.
carpediem15: For me, I dislike all the voice activated devices, like Siri and Alexa. There seems to be something built into them that just listens to what you are saying. …
Amazon recently admitted they have staff employed (surprise!) to analyze people's conversations.
Karterii1993: YouTube … I say all of this as a YouTube addict!
Emob78: … Self-awareness-free socialist kids whining about being demonetized by monolithic corporations (that they voluntarily signed up with to make money), causing them to lose money while they play video games and ranting about needing more government regulations and higher taxes so everyone will have more time and money to play even more video games (again, owned by the very corporations that they rant about). … But that's what happens when you weaponize laziness. … The entire western world will soon be filled with narcissistic, self absorbed, tech-addicted lunatics lacking any principles or ethics.
… envy those Amazonian tribes … the most red-pilled of all.
+1
GameRager: By allowing such, people are given a place to vent and relieve stress/get stuff out of their system in a place away from the "normalized" masses, while being kept in check for illegal/threatening content (via mods/etc reporting such to the relevant authorities).
It also allows patently ludicrous statements to be debunked in (a dark corner of) the public square, which is the only reliable defence against them. Sunlight is the best disinfectant; to ban a meme simply gives those who propound it the excuse that they are being repressed.
rtcvb32: … I'm against things that have an adverse negative effect as a whole against the population and myself. Calculators are inherently not natural; However they are useful. However because people get lazy a number of people don't know how to do simple math anymore. … Definitely if/when there's say an EMP burst … and you're suddenly stuck unable to do anything because you relegated all things complicated to machines you don't understand. …
Socrates complained that writing was the end of memory. :D
Wait until a Coronal Mass Ejection takes out every satellite and integrated circuit that isn't in a hardened case.