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nightcraw1er.488: "Further dividing GOG's already stretched engineering resources" - which could have better been used in fixing the website and getting some more good games rather than some patch up software for those too bone idle to copy a few files or who are part of the Twatter/Fing Idiots book generation.
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BKGaming: So edgy... lets ignore than that website programmers and the people who get games on here are generally in different departments and/or teams and have little to do with Galaxy which has it's own separate team. So would not having Galaxy make the other two somehow better? Nope.

It's rather sad that the only thing you got is to come on GOG and constantly complain about Galaxy because your stuck in a "get off my lawn" mindset that rest of the world doesn't give two shits about. But you keep putting up the good fight while thanks to Galaxy being here GOG now gets games that it would not have gotten before and you will enjoy the benefits of with your "all so awesome" standalone installers. But nah it doesn't do anything for you... not at all.

I'm also old enough to remember when PC games came on floppies, before things like Steam existed, and when you had to hunt down patches on obscure websites.... maybe you need a new pair of colored glasses to go with your oh so fine elitism because things were not so 'rosy' back then either.

Galaxy is a management system... I bet you use different "management systems" every day of your life for non-gaming related things. Don't complain because we CHOOSE to make our life more convenient for a HOBBY that we enjoy but don't want to spend our limited time with doing trivial things that gaming sometimes requires.
What a load of bollocks. For one thing I never mentioned floppies or anything like that. Yes, there are more release now, mostly pixalated or rpg maker shovelware, much like steam. Big whoop! No what galaxy has brought is a slow relinquishment of control. Far as I can see, galaxy was the thin edge of the wedge and that trend is continuing and is the single worse thing that's happened here since inception. Do stop being so hipster and defending clientware only, everyone else can f off approach, why aren't you using steam if clients are so wonderful?
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nightcraw1er.488: For one thing I never mentioned floppies or anything like that.
No but you sure like to prop up not using clients without realizing what clients like Steam have paved the way for... advances that GOG probably would not have even attempted (with or without Galaxy) without Steam first showing how successful digital storefront's can be.

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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, there are more release now, mostly pixalated or rpg maker shovelware, much like steam. Big whoop!
Talk about bollocks...

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nightcraw1er.488: No what galaxy has brought is a slow relinquishment of control. Far as I can see, galaxy was the thin edge of the wedge and that trend is continuing and is the single worse thing that's happened here since inception.
Really because one could argue that by using Galaxy you are given quite a bit of control. What significant thing could you do before Galaxy... that you can't do now?

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nightcraw1er.488: Do stop being so hipster and defending clientware only, everyone else can f off approach, why aren't you using steam if clients are so wonderful?
Hipster: a person who follows the latest trends and fashions, especially those regarded as being outside the cultural mainstream.

Sorry but the last time I checked clients like Steam and Galaxy are part of the cultural mainstream... so who is the hipster here?

I don't like some of the policies enacted by Steam, but as a client I have no issue with it.

The difference between you and me is I don't care if people don't want to use a client or Galaxy, quite frankly if that is what they want then more power to them. I support their decision. I however don't put them down for making that CHOICE because it is there's to make. Unlike you who constantly wants to tell us every chance you get why Galaxy is bad and why your so 'cool' for not using it. Let's people make the choice that is right for them and shut up about it.

Every damn thread that gets posted about Galaxy has one forum shrill who has to comment about why Galaxy sucks, or why they don't use it... anything but answering the question of the OP. Do I do that when someone ask about standalone installers? No if I know the answer I help them... not criticize them for using standalone installers.
Post edited April 25, 2017 by BKGaming
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DeMignon: .. I don't like it and I think OP is right, if I'd want Galaxy to get involved, I'd install the game through the client.
Another good reason for me to stay away from this not so optional as promoted piece of software :-|
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skeletonbow: This is unreasonable. ...
No it's not. See Trilarion's post above, for a different wording, rather than jumping on the complaint about "not so optional".
Post edited April 25, 2017 by DeMignon
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skeletonbow: This is unreasonable. ...
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DeMignon: No it's not. See Trilarion's post above, for a different wording, rather than jumping on the complaint about "not so optional".
I do agree that some kind of pop up could most likely be offered asking if you want the game to be made Galaxy compatible if Galaxy is detected as installed. If yes the installer would include these files and if no then the installer would ignore them. However, I assume they view it more as a convenience factor since if you have Galaxy installed already your likely to be using it to play your games and that the amount of people who don't want their games to be automatically made Galaxy compatible would be a small minority most likely. And it probably is an issue of not wanting to extend resources for a small minority of people, right or wrong.

Not saying that people who don't use Galaxy are a small minority, but the people who use both standalone installers and Galaxy probably are.
Post edited April 25, 2017 by BKGaming
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DeMignon: No it's not. See Trilarion's post above, for a different wording, rather than jumping on the complaint about "not so optional".
The standalone installers are not provided solely for people who do not want to use Galaxy, they're provided for people to have an installable backup copy of their game whether or not they use Galaxy. As for what the defaults should be, that's easy - the defaults for any software should be what the majority of users of that software expect or get the most convenience from. We do not have any rock solid statistical numbers as to what the raw numbers or percentage of GOG users are that prefer to use Galaxy are, but GOG has publicly stated previously that the overwhelming majority of users who bought Witcher 3 on GOG.com installed and launched it via Galaxy. Even without numerical data to back this up it is of absolutely no surprise that the overwhelming majority of PC gamers prefer to use gaming clients, as evidenced by what storefronts the majority of PC gamers money is spent on and what games are the most popular out there. While there are a highly vocal minority of users that decry gaming clients, they are just that - a very small minority whether they like it or care to admit it or not.

Since the majority of gamers and thus the majority of GOGs customers very much do want and use Galaxy, it makes sense that the standalone installers should have support built into them to communicate with Galaxy and register game installations with the client if the customer is using it as a manner of customer convenience, which is what the overwhelming majority of customers are going to want. It has no impact whatsoever on customers that do not use Galaxy, since their games still install no problem and the trivial amount of disk overhead of the goggame-*.info file and other associated files are just negligible.

Other than inadvertent mistakes such as the one someone mentioned above concerning SR4 cropping up, there is no impact on non-Galaxy users, and if and when such mistakes occur as has been pointed out, customer feedback will likely result in the problems being fixed and GOG's internal processes and procedures being updated to hopefully avoid such inadvertent problems in the future.

Punishing all users, the majority of whom do actually use Galaxy according to GOG by not having Galaxy integration in the standalone installers because an incredibly small number of GOG users have Galaxyphobia and OCD about small files wasting negligible space on their hard disks isn't the smart way to go. The number of customers that would hit GOG support with "I installed this game and it doesn't show up in Galaxy" without integration would be multitudes larger than the miniscule number of customers that do not use Galaxy who are worried about a few kilobytes or megabytes of wasted space due to Galaxy integration, or who are paranoid about the installer attempting to invoke Galaxy client if it is installed in order to register with it.

Everyone doesn't need to like it, but GOG needs to run a sustainable business and they'll do that by providing maximum convenience to gamers overall which means doing things that are convenient for the majority while having as little to no impact on others. Sure, there may be the odd case where things went wrong such as the SR4 example above, but that's an example of a flawed quality assurance protocol and not a flaw inherent in what they're trying to do, and the exceptions do not make the rule.

They're generally going to make the defaults for how things work be what the majority wants and expects, not the minority, and when those defaults have no material impact on people, all the complaining and nitpicking in the world isn't going to change anything, nor should it.