I don't see how COPPA would end Let's Plays and other tamed content on Youtube unless they start taking down videos where the user lied about video or videos being kid friendly and they were not and the system makes a mistake and they start to take down videos that were not kid friendly and they took them down anyway. Just like how missed up the content ID system is.

I don't want innocent people to get fined 40k dollars, and I definitely appreciate the existence of YouTube and everything, buuuuut...

... Man, I feel so bad even thinking this, but a part of me would be so happy that these manipulative 'INFLUENCERS' can't 'INFLUENCE' kids and adults into buying useless garbage anymore... And INFLUENCE them to be outraged about current events and etc. etc... And INFLUENCE them into becoming trash humans by acting like narcissistic.... Okay I'll stop.

Again, I feel guilty thinking and writing this. Censorship and crap like that is never good, and the problem with INFLUENCERS isn't really the INFLUENCERS themselves but the fact that people are so easily manipulated...

... But I just love seeing these money-hungry and arrogant INFLUENCERS panicking, I just can't help it man. Maybe this could somehow bring us back to the days where people made computer game videos for fun instead of money and shared their actual enthusiasm and passion for it? Nah, probably not... It'll just fine innocent people into debt.

That is commendable of you, then....I wish more parents cared as much about their children.

I wasnt trying to make it seem like a not so bad thing, btw, not because I am trying to act dumb/etc but because I honestly do not see YT/google serving anyone ads based on stuff they click(not their personal data but just based on prior sites/videos clicked) to be that much worse than toy/candy ads on tv channels made for kids & don't see much harm in it with proper parenting in place(as you yourself do).

Ok then.

To me that is overly harsh....what if someone else said that about the job you/yours hold?

I worry about this issue as it is important to me, so i've decided to discuss it as much as I can....just as everyone else on the forums who discusses an issue that worries them(on Drm/game streaming becoming more popular/etc). I do it not to intentionally make people worry but to get their take on things while showing the possible/potential gravity of the situation.

Note that how I word it shows that it is not 100% certainty, and allows/asks for people to make their own judgement on the issue.



Agreed/good point

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Under the proposes regulations(talked about in the 1st video I posted and other Yt videos), things that are seen as "targeted at kids", such as animation/bright colors/certain terms(dude/cool/whatever)/pets/etc can get a video that's not meant for kids/marked not for kids fined anyways, and YT will likely move such(via it's "brilliant" algorithms) to the "for kids" section or label it as such anyways...which could lead the FTC to fine such.

Imo said "influencers" are needed(both sides of each issue) to allow people to get more unfiltered news/information than what they can get on current MSM, and they often need to make money to do it full time/as a living, so ads for such are a given.

People, however, need to be able to read the information better(and not take everything at faces value) and also not buy so much from their favorite YT-ers of choice if they don't want to spend so much of their own money.....i.e. use common sense and self control.

Overly harsh to expect them to change in accordance to the law? No, not at all. They didn't know the way they were doing things was potentially harmful and wrong, and moving forward, the only way to make a substantial living may be to change things drastically and even change career paths. People are forced into it all the time by layoffs and expose investigations. In this case they were mislead by their facilitator, who bore the fines at this point and have been told that there are problems in the system that they have been made aware of, and things will have to change. If that means that some content creators shut down for falling into some kind of intermediary zone, so be it.

I've picked myself up after a career change before. It's not easy, but it's not impossible if you just have some follow through. No one is entitled to a job unless they earn it, and certainly no one is entitled to continue doing a job that has been deemed inappropriate in accordance with the laws designed to protect children from psychological manipulation practices... This isn't so far from the loot box controversy in that regard.

Hahahahaha... People use common sense and self control when perpetual outrage and fear mongering are right there for the taking. That's like asking people to think... Good luck. Too many are just sheeple willing to believe the first truth they're fed, and at whatever cost to let them get back to their distractions as soon as possible.

No, overly harsh to not seemingly care about people possibly losing their incomes/homes/etc. You might not have intended to come off as such, but your wording could make one think that way about what you said.

Technically the bolded bit is correct but it could also be seen as overly framing it a certain way or making it out to be more/more dire and evil than it is. To me it is not much worse than tv advertising on kid's channels to sell toys and such.

Also in regards to it and loot boxes, I disagree somewhat....there is a sizeable difference(imo) between ads for stuff the kids would need the parents to buy for them and a game linked to a parents credit card/etc that a kid can exploit easily.

Sadly you are right on this for many people....still, i'd rather they learn how to do such than have more meddling by the powers that be.

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To all reading: (There's a good bit about Mrs. Fields & how COPPA acts insanely towards "data collection of minors" at 1:45, and at 5:00 the current quagmire creators find themselves in is mentioned.)
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To you. Many including myself, other parents and law-makers disagree. You can be nonchalant about your online profile. You can allow your young children to be manipulated in truly unfair ways because they don't understand the gravity of the situation they're in. That's cool. It's easy to say "Be better parents." In an online world, it is very difficult to "Be better parents" many times. Your kids won't want you hanging over their shoulder at every interaction, and nor should you need to. At the same time, as a parent you need to educate them and balance out the alone time with quality family time. The trouble isn't with the well meaning, the good hearted people genuinely wanting to entertain children. It's the insidious bastards who want to teach them to go get mom or dad's credit card. Here's how you do it. You really REALLY need to do it, no they won't mind a small one time transaction, it's for your good!!! Just get it and give it to me so we can get you what you want. Or the ones trying to poison your kids with inappropriate material hidden in a kid friendly puppet show or a kid friendly cartoon (And no, I don't think all cartoons are kid friendly, but there are those designed to trick the watcher).

Kids don't know better, sometimes even when you teach them. And monitoring content is hard when it's carefully disguised to trick parents and children alike into thinking that it is safe. I've missed a few. Anytime a law wants to help me be a better parent, I'm all for that since the more protections in place to keep people from exploiting children in general and MY children specifically is a good thing.

Yes, many of those would be so-called pearl clutchers who overreact to many things and blow them out of proportion(as I might be doing a bit with this).

For those parents that cannot be there enough to better parent I can sympathize....it is the ones who just give their kids some tech and go about their day when they could easily just be better parents I have more qualms with.

Be honest, how many actually do that in YT/etc? Not that many, and the ones that do get banned/fined/etc.

Again, then parents(those that can but choose not to) should be better parents....if they did that a bit more even such rare actually vile content could likely be avoided for the most part.

And i'd rather parents relied less on the nanny state and more on themselves.....that way such laws don't unfairly impact others so some parents can avoid having to show some responsibility.
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By the way, you DO know the same line of logic you are displaying was used by those back in the past to try and censor/ban some games(so that they wouldn't have to watch what their kids play), right?

You are essentially saying "do whatever if it might kinda sorta possibly make children safer in some vague way".

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Some more comments on the newer videos:
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Prisoner 1: "I k*lled a man, you?"
Prisoner 2: "A Mario toy was in the background of my video."

"Mama mia"
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I was in for having TWO Mario plushies AND a yoshi plush in the background for 0.01 second...I RUN THIS JOINT!
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“It’s for the children”
-words totally never used to justify horrible dystopian bs
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So what your saying, is that you are discouraging children’s videos to protect kids? Your not just wrong, you’re stupid.
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"Swear too much? BAM demonitized"
"Dont swear enough? This is safe for kids, BAM defacto demonitized"
Bravo YT, bravo.
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HTF: exists
FTC: definitely for children
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[This comment was removed to protect the eyes of the Juveniles]

I feel like every few months there is new "adpocalypse" happening on youtube... and its not like this platform is dead yet. I assume, just like always, people will figure something to keep making content.

As for "think of the children" theme that appeared above... Well, Im kinda with this dude who said "you should raise children, not internet". Until kid is old enough - its responsibility of parents to decide if this person should be already allowed to internet and if yes - to which content. Coz the only way to avoid crap on such huge platform as youtube is human-powered pre-moderation (and yet it wont be 100% effective anyway), and its not like such thing is affordable (I mean - even system that remove videos based on copyright strikes is automated (and thats why everybody hate it)).

Like really - youtube (and internet overall) isnt everything. There are good cartoons, there are some cool old child-oriented shows (like "sesame street"). Why bother with this "creeper vs spiderman" type of content and then be annoyed by its quality, if there are good things, verified by time?

With past problems on youtube there wasn't the chance people might get big fines for their videos....mostly people just got partially or fully demonitized or banned. That is partially why I worry.

As the latest link(video link) I added to the first post here shows, youtube gets 500 or so hours of video added every MINUTE....the only way they could check it all would be to use bots and scripts....as we all know how reliable those are.

This current problem is less about that and more about YT collecting data on kids to sell them ads & YT getting fined over it, and then parents pressured the FTC to change the law or try to change the law & YT is going along with it because it puts the blame and responsibility on content makers and not them.
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Addition to everyone: Yes, some like me might be making this a bit worse by worrying so much over this issue, but YT and the FTC are not helping either.....YT's reply is to "get a lawyer" when asked what to do about this and what content is allowed, and the FTC basically said they will be going after creators in a semi-threatening manner(when that one man from the FTC spoke).

Relevant bits at 4:10 and onward till around 6:00 or so.....basically COPPA/The FTC allows for mixed content(kids/adults mixed audience) and doesn't plan to sue/fine over such...so I am guessing it's YT trying to stifle creators once again.

Not really a direct response to you, but YouTubers have it easy. Not only can they make money by making videos about video games, but they actually have an army of customers who would fight for their job security. It's insane if you think about it.

Like you said, any other job, we gotta just take it and adjust. YouTubers can just rally their troops and spam their employer (Google) until they fix something. Don't care if it works all the time, just the fact that you would dare complain and play victim in a situation like that disgusts me slightly.

Again, feeling guilty to write all of that and I suppose there may be some jealousy there, but then again... The last thing I would want in life is "command" a troop of puppets, that's too much responsibility.

Oh I see. Also just another YT scare tacit according to Post #42 if it is true.