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Lawfull Masses (Leonard French, a lawyer) video on COPPA
Post edited November 25, 2019 by paladin181
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paladin181: Well, if you can't (or won't for the sake of argument, as you so often advocate the devil) see the difference between "This is psychologically manipulative and damaging to society, PARTICULARLY children" and "Won't somebody think of the children?!" then that's fine.
They are essentially the same or used for similar ends, either good or ill, and most of the time those in power use such for ill(sadly) to remove freedoms from us for some supposed benefit or safety.

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paladin181: I'm advocating a middle ground, and you advocate a complete and total free for all wherein people and companies can do anything they like.
I never said that....I believe in some regulation, but ONLY as a last resort, not the first thing people go to when faced with any sort of problem.

I also think companies, if truthful, should be able to sell as they want as long as they don't harm anyone/the environment/etc. People should be expected to excercise common sense while the powers that be should also have some protections in place(minimal) if needs arise for such.

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paladin181: I appreciate a free market, but I also appreciate a world wherein the bully with the strongest leverage doesn't automatically win. That's the exact situation this nation was established to counteract (George III), and I'm willing to sacrifice a little entertaining distraction to protect our most vulnerable citizens.
You are acting like all children are dumb as bricks by saying this, and more importantly you are seemingly(correct me if I am wrong) ok with sacrificing some freedom for safety/security...and we all know the quote having to do with that.

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paladin181: It's obvious you'd prefer complete anarchy rather than any sort of government regulation by taking an argument for a bit stricter regulation of data mining to it's extreme end of "Do anything to make the children a little safer. Possibly."
Again you are putting words in my mouth and making assumptions. Some laws are fine, but only as a last resort(as I said above).

Also most times "think of the children": is brought up the children are not what such lawmakers have in mind or care about.....children are used as a convenient focal point and leverage to get things passed people would otherwise scoff at or be against. That is why I am skeptical of most of them, and also because many of them take responsibility from the parents and place it on companies and other people.

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paladin181: And since you want to dabble in hyperbole and fear mongering yourself, I won't be responding further.
Your call...thanks for replying this far, at any rate.

(Also I find it interesting you call this fearmongering when that is what such laws usually are)

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Fender_178: Oh I see. Also just another YT scare tacit according to Post #42 if it is true.
Hopefully that is the case, but I still worry about my favorite creators losing income or leaving YT over this.
Post edited November 25, 2019 by GameRager
The link below may be helpful to anyone with a YouTube channel.

Set your channel or video’s audience

I marked all the videos that I had on my channel to "private" after setting the audience to "Not For Kids." I am considering just deleting them entirely because they were never monetized to begin with.
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Hooyaah: The link below may be helpful to anyone with a YouTube channel.

Set your channel or video’s audience

I marked all the videos that I had on my channel to "private" after setting the audience to "Not For Kids." I am considering just deleting them entirely because they were never monetized to begin with.
You should at least back them up for memory's sake, if nothing else. :)

Also there is always bitchute for some(along with using other methods to gain revenue), and some are(oddly enough) thinking of going to "the hub" as well...like when tumblr did a, well, tumblr.
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Hooyaah: The link below may be helpful to anyone with a YouTube channel.

Set your channel or video’s audience

I marked all the videos that I had on my channel to "private" after setting the audience to "Not For Kids." I am considering just deleting them entirely because they were never monetized to begin with.
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GameRager: You should at least back them up for memory's sake, if nothing else. :)

Also there is always bitchute for some(along with using other methods to gain revenue), and some are(oddly enough) thinking of going to "the hub" as well...like when tumblr did a, well, tumblr.
Another thing that I thought of is that the FTC will not go after individual channels if they have offending content because there are way too many of them and way too many videos so in my mind they will go after YouTube and YouTube will do what they do best is demonetize offending videos.
Post edited November 25, 2019 by Fender_178
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Fender_178: Another thing that I thought of is that the FTC will not go after individual channels if they have offending content because there are way too many of them and way too many videos so in my mind they will go after YouTube and YouTube will do what they do best is demonetize offending videos.
Some think they might go after big(but not too big) names to set an example and make bigger fines to collect.
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paladin181: Well, if you can't (or won't for the sake of argument, as you so often advocate the devil) see the difference between "This is psychologically manipulative and damaging to society, PARTICULARLY children" and "Won't somebody think of the children?!" then that's fine.
Yet both are, to invoke Twain, telling an adult they can't have steak because a baby can't chew it. One argument just couches itself less emotionally, barely though.

I could go further about how society is essentially a legal fiction and the only actions are between individuals, but I don't want to veer off topic or run afoul of rules.

Cheers.
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rjbuffchix: Yet both are, to invoke Twain, telling an adult they can't have steak because a baby can't chew it. One argument just couches itself less emotionally, barely though.
Good quote/point....I was going to post it myself earlier but chose not to bother(busy/etc).
I can only use youtube studio classic and can't find the settings since old pc and old firefox maybe.
So i need advice, do i need to set any videos as not for kids for any reasons on my 3 videos that i have on account.

https://www.youtube.com/user/fonzersbox1
I didn't make these videos to make any money it's just that i wanted to let the world see what i made for fun game videos.
Thinking oblivion has one part that might not be for children.

Is age restriction maybe what i am looking for in there?

In youtube classic studio there doesn't exist a button not for kids or for kids.
Post edited November 25, 2019 by Fonzer
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Fender_178: Another thing that I thought of is that the FTC will not go after individual channels if they have offending content because there are way too many of them and way too many videos so in my mind they will go after YouTube and YouTube will do what they do best is demonetize offending videos.
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GameRager: Some think they might go after big(but not too big) names to set an example and make bigger fines to collect.
That is a very good possibility.
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ThorChild: Speaking as a father (and gamer) with one young kid starting to show an interest in youtube, there sure is a whole load of 'nasty' stuff aimed at kids specifically. I can't just let them get on and browse the site, i have to constantly monitor what they are clicking on. And one problem in how youtube works is once they have found one nasty kids video, youtube 'helpfully' offers more of the same for them to watch next, so they can get stuck in a 'zone' of inappropriate video's very quickly.
Youtube used to have their own initiative aimed at creating an administrator curated environment that was educational for children that restricted other content built for schools, called Youtube for Schools.

It was actually a pretty nice system, but they got rid of it a few years ago in favour of their algorithm driven Restricted Mode that isn't nearly as effective.

I actually run an opensource firewall on my home network that is reasonably good at content filtering because I can block all youtube content except for specific channels. My kids are pretty young so they don't really complain about the fact that only a few youtube channels actually work.
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The Ballad of YouTube...

... or...

How a video-sharing platform was built by users and then the same platform turned on those same users.

The basic problem is that YouTube cannot survive as a content creator platform. It was a free and open platform but always lost money and now corporate interests -- and Google's interests -- are clamping down and tearing the platform apart.

YouTube never had a business model that worked. Never.

It banked on the idea that if it kept attracting more-and-more free user-content that at some point it could turn a "magical corner" and become too-big-to-fail.

But bandwidth costs real money. That means advertisers.

But advertisers don't like freedom of expression. They like "safe," specific, predictable content and YouTube's user-created content didn't provide that.

So YouTube decided it was time to turn that "magical corner" and start creating their own branded content, but in order to turn this corner, they needed to actively discourage freedom (and new YouTubers). They wanted the strange, experimental, or advertiser "unfriendly" to leave immediately (yes, a few years earlier it was these same kind of creators who built the platform).

But...

No one liked YouTube-branded content! Worse, no one was willing to pay for it.

So...

YouTube went back to the drawing board. How to get rid of all of the strange and unique creators who were scaring advertsers? Rules... more and more extremely ambiguous rules that would allow YouTube to set examples and then actively "cull the herd." With the extreme ambiguity and severity of punishments, it was meant to scare new creators away from the platform.

But then Patreon messed up a perfectly good culling!

If people could make money outside of YouTube for their content on YouTube, YouTube still had a problem with advertsers. YouTube wanted those creators -- actually all creators except for the biggest -- to leave immediately. But they didn't. They found ways around the mess.

So now COPPA and the FTC...

Believe it or not, this is exactly what YouTube wants -- and has wanted -- for a very long time. In fact they have lobbied for this! Now they can easily cull the herd by deeming anyone "commercially unviable." and the FTC -- via YouTube "monitors" -- will throw around hefty fines to push even more people off the platform.

IMHO the only thing keeping YouTube afloat is that no one except Google can (or is wiiling to ) accept the extreme costs associated with bandwidth and storage. They are number one by default.

YouTube made itself on the backs of individual creators providing free content, but now they need to get rid of all of that and make themselves into safe, friendly 1960's daytime TV (for kids) or suffocate under that bandwidth and storage.

YouTube is dead... it just doesn't want to accept it.

But this is par for the course... Uber is another company that can't make money unless it can get rid of the very drivers who made it.
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Fonzer: I can only use youtube studio classic and can't find the settings since old pc and old firefox maybe.
So i need advice, do i need to set any videos as not for kids for any reasons on my 3 videos that i have on account.

Is age restriction maybe what i am looking for in there?

In youtube classic studio there doesn't exist a button not for kids or for kids.
Check Post 48 above for info on how to do that sort of thing. :)

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firstpastthepost: Youtube used to have their own initiative aimed at creating an administrator curated environment that was educational for children that restricted other content built for schools, called Youtube for Schools.

It was actually a pretty nice system, but they got rid of it a few years ago in favour of their algorithm driven Restricted Mode that isn't nearly as effective.
The new system was probably cheaper, i'm guessing.
(Also thanks for the info on old YT systems...I did not even know about that one)

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firstpastthepost: I actually run an opensource firewall on my home network that is reasonably good at content filtering because I can block all youtube content except for specific channels. My kids are pretty young so they don't really complain about the fact that only a few youtube channels actually work.
Sounds like you're keeping on top of things.....*salute*.


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kai2: The Ballad of YouTube...

YouTube is dead... it just doesn't want to accept it.

But this is par for the course... Uber is another company that can't make money unless it can get rid of the very drivers who made it.
Well written and spot on in many places.....+1
Post edited November 25, 2019 by GameRager
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Fonzer: I can only use youtube studio classic and can't find the settings since old pc and old firefox maybe.
So i need advice, do i need to set any videos as not for kids for any reasons on my 3 videos that i have on account.

Is age restriction maybe what i am looking for in there?

In youtube classic studio there doesn't exist a button not for kids or for kids.
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GameRager: Check Post 48 above for info on how to do that sort of thing. :)

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Actually can't set it in classic one so screw youtube not like i am using any real info on that account.
Note:

To set your audience as made for kids, you'll need to do so in YouTube Studio. You won't be able to do so in Creator Studio Classic.
We'll make the audience selection tool available to third-party applications and the YouTube API Services in the near future. For now, please use YouTube Studio to upload made for kids content.
Post edited November 25, 2019 by Fonzer
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Fonzer: Actually can't set it in classic one so screw youtube not like i am using any real info on that account.
Well if you have few videos(with no identifiable info in them to link to you) and no real personal info in your account you should be fine....they'll likely be going after the big names mostly anyways.