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eevBLAB #68 - Youtube COPPA Adpocalypse 3.0

Something I haven't thought of; if the discussion field is taken off, how can the nerds talk about their favorite action figure and where to get more info? :)
Post edited November 25, 2019 by sanscript
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As I stated earlier, I'm sure YouTube wants to get rid of content creators they don't control, but is COPPA applicable to YouTube content creators? That's in question.

My gut feeling is YouTube will start charging for uploads / bandwidth / storage. A creator is forced to play by the YouTube ad rules if they have to pay to upload videos. Having looked into selling books on Amazon FBA, I learned about monthly Amazon charges for warehouse storage and see that same theory coming to video. My guess is YouTube would charge everyone but waive the fee for highly viewed content.

Sorry for the rant. As a filmmaker I've always toyed with YouTube and what I see happening (and what I think will happen on the platform) make me sad.

Could YouTube have ever become economically viable without Google? I fear not, but it probably would have been a much more "free" platform of ideas prior to closing its doors.
Post edited November 26, 2019 by kai2
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kai2: Sorry for the rant. As a filmmaker I've always toyed with YouTube and what I see happening (and what I think will happen on the platform) make me sad.
Agreed

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kai2: Could YouTube have ever become economically viable without Google? I fear not, but it probably would have been a much more "free" platform of ideas prior to closing its doors.
I wonder if the bitchute model would work.....i.e. have users host content on their own servers/machines/etc or those of others....what do you think?
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kai2: Sorry for the rant. As a filmmaker I've always toyed with YouTube and what I see happening (and what I think will happen on the platform) make me sad.
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GameRager: Agreed

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kai2: Could YouTube have ever become economically viable without Google? I fear not, but it probably would have been a much more "free" platform of ideas prior to closing its doors.
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GameRager: I wonder if the bitchute model would work.....i.e. have users host content on their own servers/machines/etc or those of others....what do you think?
Thank I don't know about. Will look at it.
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kai2: Thank I don't know about. Will look at it.
Yeah, bitchute hosts more uncensored content than YT does, though no ads so users needs other income sources....but with patreon/subscribestar/etc they can make money from fans/
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kai2: Thank I don't know about. Will look at it.
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GameRager: Yeah, bitchute hosts more uncensored content than YT does, though no ads so users needs other income sources....but with patreon/subscribestar/etc they can make money from fans/
But the viewing traffic is going through the individual's bandwidth / server?

That seems like it could potentially get extremely expensive for an individual, yes?
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kai2: But the viewing traffic is going through the individual's bandwidth / server?

That seems like it could potentially get extremely expensive for an individual, yes?
I think the files are kept in pieces across the network....i.e. Bitchute meaning bittorrent chute.....and thus the individual load/demand isn't too much.
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kai2: But the viewing traffic is going through the individual's bandwidth / server?

That seems like it could potentially get extremely expensive for an individual, yes?
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GameRager: I think the files are kept in pieces across the network....i.e. Bitchute meaning bittorrent chute.....and thus the individual load/demand isn't too much.
Ok, got it.

That would seem to minimize the issues
Well Here is a video that says that COPPA maybe a good thing because it is forcing YouTube to put ads on more edgy content. Google was Fined $170 Million dollars for violating kids' privacy by the FTC. It is going to be an Adpocalypse for the kid friendly content of sorts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-FjeHdConQ

If this indeed true this maybe a very good thing. One thing that I learned from watching this video is that YouTube is going to be developing an algorithm to tell apart video game violence from movie violence which is very good step in the right direction.
No, it will not (see article below). Because COPPA (it's intent) is not about the meddling of people's individual's videos. It's about holding the platform (Youtube) accountable for the privacy and well-being of minors. If Youtube does something over-draconian, then that would be Google's fault and not COPPA directly, as their main concern is to make the platform conform to the law. COPPA itself is also not new. It's been around for many years, and all it's really doing is adapting to the modern era since the world changes with the passage of time.

And it would be great if those public people against it are honest, that they are simply worried about their bottom line. Plus a few others who use kids (real-life children) to make money or fame of their videos. I notice that these sometimes tend to attract a lot of unsavory sexual comments towards those minors. Honesty is more refreshing, instead of pretending to care about censorship or tame content gone.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/11/youtube-coppa-google-ftc-settlement-children-privacy.html
Post edited November 28, 2019 by Nicole28
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Nicole28: No, it will not (see article below). Because COPPA (it's intent) is not about the meddling of people's individual's videos. It's about holding the platform (Youtube) accountable for the privacy and well-being of minors. If Youtube does something over-draconian, then that would be Google's fault and not COPPA directly, as their main concern is to make the platform conform to the law. COPPA itself is also not new. It's been around for many years, and all it's really doing is adapting to the modern era since the world changes with the passage of time.

And it would be great if those public people against it are honest, that they are simply worried about their bottom line. Plus a few others who use kids (real-life children) to make money or fame of their videos. I notice that these sometimes tend to attract a lot of unsavory sexual comments towards those minors. Honesty is more refreshing, instead of pretending to care about censorship or tame content gone.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/11/youtube-coppa-google-ftc-settlement-children-privacy.html
Not only that but FTC also said that Google and YouTube put ads aimed at kids as well. Yeah it would be good if the people using kids to make money would stop this and this would put a stop to it. Also this would be great if this would make Google and YouTube rethink about putting ads on the edgy content as well. Yeah I knew COPPA has been around since 1998.
Post edited November 28, 2019 by Fender_178
Not knowledgeable enough about COPPA to really comment, but I'll say Twitch has largely killed let's plays on Youtube anyway. Most of the let's play channels I used to follow are dead, and the remaining ones get much fewer viewers. Youtube does best and thrives with actual produced content, i.e. edited and presented more as a show, even if that content is incredibly cheap to make.
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Nicole28: No, it will not (see article below).
Besides being from slate(they tend to slant their articles all one way), that article's opening headline should be a tip off on how biased it's going to be. This is not to say it might not have some nuggets of truth buried in it somewhere, though, so thanks for posting it so people can compare between sources.

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Nicole28: Because COPPA (it's intent) is not about the meddling of people's individual's videos. It's about holding the platform (Youtube) accountable for the privacy and well-being of minors.
No, it's most likely more about collecting fines from big fish under the guise of being to protect minors....most of the biggest fines levied out by COPPA/the FTC were to harmless or nearly harmless things done by companies with deep pockets.

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Nicole28: If Youtube does something over-draconian, then that would be Google's fault and not COPPA directly, as their main concern is to make the platform conform to the law.
Coppa would still be the ones suing, but yes google would be at fault a bit for passing the buck to creators and throwing them under the bus to avoid paying more fines(while at the same time seemingly being ok with running ads on demonitized channels and collecting income from such ads).

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Nicole28: COPPA itself is also not new. It's been around for many years, and all it's really doing is adapting to the modern era since the world changes with the passage of time.
No, it changed because some overly worried parents complained because timmy or suzy had to watch an ad or two that was based on what channels they watched/other data being collected by YT itself.

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Nicole28: And it would be great if those public people against it are honest, that they are simply worried about their bottom line. Plus a few others who use kids (real-life children) to make money or fame of their videos.
Not all are worried about it for that reason(the first bit).....some are worried it might cause their favorite creators to leave, and creators are worried the FTC might fine them so badly they would have to get lawyers and(if fined) that they'd have to take out loans/etc to pay such off.

Also why is it a bad thing to worry about losing one's livelihood in and of itself?

As for children being used in videos.....many parents use their kids as free labor already and it's considered a good thing...so your point with that bit is?

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Nicole28: I notice that these sometimes tend to attract a lot of unsavory sexual comments towards those minors.
Agreed 100%, and this should be cleaned up IMO.

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Nicole28: Honesty is more refreshing, instead of pretending to care about censorship or tame content gone.
Some(including me) do care about censorship or tame content being removed due to being hit under a vague set of rules, even if you might not believe so.
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Also thanks for replying and weighing in in a civil and well written manner. It is appreciated. I will also, btw, be updating this thread as the law goes into effect/more info becomes available....so stay tuned, everyone.
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Fender_178: Not only that but FTC also said that Google and YouTube put ads aimed at kids as well. Yeah it would be good if the people using kids to make money would stop this and this would put a stop to it. Also this would be great if this would make Google and YouTube rethink about putting ads on the edgy content as well. Yeah I knew COPPA has been around since 1998.
That could mostly be stopped by parents either using an ad blocker or not letting their kids control their spending so much(ads don't work if parents say no and don't buy).
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Fender_178: If this indeed true this maybe a very good thing. One thing that I learned from watching this video is that YouTube is going to be developing an algorithm to tell apart video game violence from movie violence which is very good step in the right direction.
The problem is their algorithms are cr*p most times and hit people accidentally all the time. Add to that the vagueness of these newly proposed rules and you can see why I give pause to all this.


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StingingVelvet: Not knowledgeable enough about COPPA to really comment, but I'll say Twitch has largely killed let's plays on Youtube anyway. Most of the let's play channels I used to follow are dead, and the remaining ones get much fewer viewers. Youtube does best and thrives with actual produced content, i.e. edited and presented more as a show, even if that content is incredibly cheap to make.
Youtube still has some good let's plays, and other games related content like parodies/reviews as well...it;d be a shame to see that possibly hit by the new COPPA rules.

Also an aside: Now I am curious how much it costs(not including startup costs and including such) to make such videos for various creators.
Post edited November 28, 2019 by GameRager
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Here's Tim Pool on the topic.
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Thanks, will watch it soon.