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tinyE: Yeah, I guess ostriches ARE cute, no argument. Alas I've heard their meat is very tasty and very low in fat. Horse meat on the other hand is evidenty nasty and tough.

You know what, I think I very well may be talking out of my ass here, I'll tone it down a little.


And yes I believe in "Heaven and Hell"; Ronnie James Dio...GREAT BAND!!!!
Ever have a goose come after you, guarding a nest?

I'd shit if I stumbled upon an ostrich doing the same!
I can't believe that I'm reading some comments from people on other websites on how it's "wrong to eat Horsemeat"

Horses, just like cows are animals that are made to be eaten (and they taste damn good I might add) it's almost as hypocritical as the people who claim they "Don't eat meat" and yet they eat fish because to them it "isn't wrong"
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Roman5: I can't believe that I'm reading some comments from people on other websites on how it's "wrong to eat Horsemeat"

Horses, just like cows are animals that are made to be eaten (and they taste damn good I might add) it's almost as hypocritical as the people who claim they "Don't eat meat" and yet they eat fish because to them it "isn't wrong"
The article on it was fairly good. It didn't really take sides, just provided various insights into why:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21043368
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tinyE: Yeah, I guess ostriches ARE cute, no argument. Alas I've heard their meat is very tasty and very low in fat. Horse meat on the other hand is evidenty nasty and tough.

You know what, I think I very well may be talking out of my ass here, I'll tone it down a little.

And yes I believe in "Heaven and Hell"; Ronnie James Dio...GREAT BAND!!!!
You mean Black Sabbath on their "Heaven and Hell"album when Ronnie James Dio was their singer?

/rampant Black Sabbath fan reporting in.
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tinyE: Yeah, I guess ostriches ARE cute, no argument. Alas I've heard their meat is very tasty and very low in fat. Horse meat on the other hand is evidenty nasty and tough.

You know what, I think I very well may be talking out of my ass here, I'll tone it down a little.

And yes I believe in "Heaven and Hell"; Ronnie James Dio...GREAT BAND!!!!
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JudasIscariot: You mean Black Sabbath on their "Heaven and Hell"album when Ronnie James Dio was their singer?

/rampant Black Sabbath fan reporting in.
Or Rainbow! Ha Ha...yeah.
To be honest I never was into Sabbath with Dio, I was just being funny. Oddly enough I adore Sabbath with Ozzy and I adore all of Ronnie's solo stuff but not so much Sabbath with Ronnie. One day I'm going to figure out how that works.
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Dischord: Thanks, a distributor then, and not a manufacturer.
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gameon: Well it's a supermarket, so they do have some home brand stuff that is made in their own factories. So it could well be that.
A lot of the major supermarkets own brand stuff is made by the same factories. If you take a closer look at a lot of them it's only really the label that changes. Which does explain how this contaminated meat found its way into multiple supermarket chains.
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Navagon: A lot of the major supermarkets own brand stuff is made by the same factories. If you take a closer look at a lot of them it's only really the label that changes. Which does explain how this contaminated meat found its way into multiple supermarket chains.
We had a place here like that, since out of business.

I'm sure, one of many, but practice was to infuse packaging of meat with co, making it seem as fresh and pink as the day it was packaged.
Man...I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse!
That picture, saying no artificial flavours etc wasn't lying - its genuine horse :(
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Soyeong: Man...I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse!
I think we're eating a dead horse here...
I only eat ponies. Unicorns are more expensive. : /
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cjrgreen: It wasn't "traces" of horse DNA; it was 29% horse meat content. Somebody dumped a lot of horse meat in the supply chain, and nobody noticed, or if anybody noticed, they didn't care or were ordered to ignore it, no matter what that pride in traceable content suggests.

Even if the pig content was mere "traces", this is probably not reassuring to kosher or halal customers. But the reason this is a big deal is that if this is all the control they have over their meat supply, they could just as witlessly have passed through contaminated, diseased, or spoiled meat.

Tesco's been having a hard time recently. They've been pinched from both below and above on UK sales, and their "Fresh 'n' Easy" grocery chain in the US is a total loss. This doesn't make things any better.
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szablev: This is basically what I was saying as well, not sure what your problem is, other than I wrote "traces" rather than saying 29% of horse/pork meat in a beef burger, but that was because I'm sure everyone in this thread is familiar with the news. The main issue people have is not that they ate 29% horse meat - which in itself does not necessarily cause any harm - but rather that it damages the image of "quality, traceable national stock" that most of these retail chains are trying to build up, and can understandably raise further questions and suspicions about the content of the retailers' own products.
I didn't mean to contradict you, and I'm sorry it came across that way.

But this is foremost a public health concern, not about whose image was damaged. It wasn't too many years ago that we had more than a hundred deaths from Creutzfeld-Jakob disease after it turned out everybody was looking the other way while cattle carrying BSE were allowed into the supply chain.

It doesn't matter whether horse meat is wholesome or not; what matters is we damn well learned nothing from the last time and are just as willing to put the public in danger now as we were then.
Post edited January 16, 2013 by cjrgreen
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gameon: Well it's a supermarket, so they do have some home brand stuff that is made in their own factories. So it could well be that.
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Navagon: A lot of the major supermarkets own brand stuff is made by the same factories. If you take a closer look at a lot of them it's only really the label that changes. Which does explain how this contaminated meat found its way into multiple supermarket chains.
It reminds me of a while ago when several major supermarket chain stores were brought up for price fixing, forcing the price they paid to farmers for dairy products down to increase their own profit margins. Whilst they might be in competition with each other its silly to think that they compete on all levels - heck the fact that most of them can't actually expand their operation because of market control/dominance laws means that they are even more likely to band together to get their own advantages.

It's no surprise to me that several supermarkets were hit with this problem in their supply chains. Of course what will be interesting is hearing where the blame lies; the suppliers could well state that they were under unfair pressure to supply more and more meat beyond their limits or risk losing their contracts - major suppliers to supermarkets are often trapped with whatever the supermarket dictates to them since they can't just up and move to another buyer because the vast quantities of what they produce (as well as distribution networks) makes it very hard to land another deal and restructure their whole distribution network.
Horse Satay, anyone? :-)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Horse_Satay%2C_Yogyakarta.jpg