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SirPrimalform: Anyway, it's not about cost and value but rather about not supporting a company you feel has betrayed its principles.
Yeah I edited my post to add that I understand the prior claims being changed thing. But I feel that sometimes in life you can't have everything you want in an ideal setting, and it may be a worthwhile "trade-off" to give up the flat pricing in order to strengthen the "DRM-free" aspect, assuming the flat pricing was really an aggravating issue with game publishers who were otherwise willing to accept the "DRM-free" concept. At least for me it's a worthy trade-off because I value the DRM-free aspect so much more than anything else they've ever said to promote GOG.

I don't really know if it's true or not or what goes on behind the scenes, but it's possible that some game companies were more against flat pricing (for various reasons) than they were against the DRM-free concept... if that happened a lot (companies holding back titles because of pricing issues) then it's a worthy trade-off for me.
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rampancy:
Does Dotemu allow you to generate gift codes like GOG?
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SirPrimalform: I actually have enough games in my backlog that I probably don't need to buy any more ever.
I know that feeling all too well.

I have games I've bought dating back to the 16 bit days I never did fully complete I could go back and play if I ran out of stuff.
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dirtyharry50: Steam
Mac App Store
Origin
Blizzard Store
Amazon.com
Humble
Groupees

I should be able to find enough games on those places including classics since Steam is picking up so many regularly now. They just recently added the first two Descent games for example.
So...those all offer DRM free games? Thing is, for all the dissenters, you won't find a store with:

-as many classics as GOG

-DRM free like GOG

-excellent customer service like GOG

-30 day return policy like GOG

-free bonus content like GOG

So if anyone can find another distributor that does ALL those things, please let me know.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by scampywiak
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tionerc: thepiratebay
One fair price for all, lol
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wpegg: This is an interesting question.

TET said that the same way they would stop people from just "saying they were from russia" was the same as the way they would stop people from pirating their games.

I assume that now a lot more people will be pirating games.
I think he wanted to say they are helpless about it, hence comparing it to people pirating games.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by nadenitza
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tionerc: thepiratebay
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nadenitza: One fair price for all, lol
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wpegg: This is an interesting question.

TET said that the same way they would stop people from just "saying they were from russia" was the same as the way they would stop people from pirating their games.

I assume that now a lot more people will be pirating games.
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nadenitza: I think he wanted to say they are helpless about it, hence comparing it to people pirating games.
No, he was saying they were trusting us on it, and I am suggesting that they have broken a lot of users trust, and encouraged them back to fighting the DRM free movement by being pirates.
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dirtyharry50: Steam
Mac App Store
Origin
Blizzard Store
Amazon.com
Humble
Groupees

I should be able to find enough games on those places including classics since Steam is picking up so many regularly now. They just recently added the first two Descent games for example.
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scampywiak: So...those all offer DRM free games? Thing is, for all the dissenters, you won't find a store with:

-as many classics as GOG

-DRM free like GOG

-excellent customer service like GOG

-30 day return policy like GOG

-free bonus content like GOG

So if anyone can find another distributor that does ALL those things, please let me know.
Steam has a ton of classics but GOG does have more. I bought them all already though and to hear TET tell it, the well has pretty much run dry so...

I don't care about DRM-free myself. Steam's, Origin's, Mac App Store's and Blizzard's doesn't bother me one bit. I find it unobtrusive and I'm fine with it for those guys to protect themselves from casual piracy. DRM matters to most people when it is somehow painful and I think very often does not when it isn't painful.

I've never needed customer service at any of the places I shop. I haven't had any problems and for Steam that goes back a decade now.

Origin also offers a return policy and I do see this as a plus but not a really big deal when I generally pay very cheap prices for games, have too many of them and do my homework before I purchase them to avoid issues that would get me into a predicament where I wanted to return a game.

I do like GOG's free soundtracks and the occasional strategy guide. Those are nice bonuses. The rest of the fluff that passes for "goodies" to me is inconsequential.

In short, for me personally it wouldn't be some terrible loss to not shop here anymore. I am not saying I will never buy another game here though. The same criteria as always applied still does: does GOG have some classic I cannot get elsewhere that I want? Fine. I may buy that if the price is right. Otherwise, I could not care less about new games here, indies here, etc. I am just expressing my own personal preference. Like a lot of customers I think, I first came here for classics and it is still what I check in for. The rest of it I prefer to buy elsewhere and GOG has done nothing to change my mind about that.

EDIT: I should add that it isn't only "classics" that appeal to me. Not every old game deserves to be called a classic and yet it could still be a good old game or one I'd enjoy anyway. So it is more older games that appealed to me here.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by dirtyharry50
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SirPrimalform: According to the letter all of the games will be regionally priced. Originally I was going to just skip the ones with regional pricing, but that letter ruined it for me so I guess it's a boycott now.
If you and others like you are going to boycott, why not start now? Or the moment you decided that GOG has left you with no choice but to boycott? What purpose does posting that you're boycotting continue to serve other than making others know that you're boycotting no matter how many more times and in how many more threads you have to say it and for however long you decide others need to be made aware that you're boycotting? One more week, one more year, 10 more years?
Looking forward to continue to see you boycotters around these here parts.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by teshra
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wpegg: No, he was saying they were trusting us on it, and I am suggesting that they have broken a lot of users trust, and encouraged them back to fighting the DRM free movement by being pirates.
In what way did they deceive us to deserve a breach of trust? They've been transparent about the change, why theyr doing it. how and when theyr doing it. Businesses adapt and change. Nobody can forsee every change, and the best you can hope for is that they are honest about the changes they are making. That is all gog has done. I see some people acting like gog put regional prices on games in secret and claimed that they werent. If you cant support gog because of beliefs around regional pricing, fine. I just hope those beliefs would apply to anybody that uses regional pricing.
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jreaganmorgan: Some people are so pissed by GOG's announcement that there will be regional pricing, that some people have claimed that they will refuse to continue business with GOG.

So my question to such people is: Where are you going to get your games now?
A part of any boycott is willingness to make a sacrifice. If there's nowhere else then so be it. Either way; where people go isn't relevant, that they're no longer going here is.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by Cormoran
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SirPrimalform: Anyway, it's not about cost and value but rather about not supporting a company you feel has betrayed its principles.
I'll much rather support a company that aims very high and then occasionally misses the mark than I will give my money to a company that aims so piss low in the gutter that it's impossible to miss the mark and do something wrong. But hey, that's just me.
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SirPrimalform: It is about regional pricing, but it's not that I boycott companies who do regional pricing but rather that GOG is destroying the trust I had in them.

You may say it's strange to hold GOG to a different standard than I'm holding other stores to, but it's GOG who set that standard by saying "Look, no regional pricing here!".
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zavlin: If you boycott gog for regional pricing, while supporting sites like steam and amazon etc, then you are not taking a stand against regional pricing, but rather nitpicking with gog, while encouraging other sites to continue regional pricing because gog hurt your feelings. All there is to it really.
This.

I don't think a boycott is going to accomplish much of anything, or send any anti-regional pricing messages out to the market at large. The only real thing that could happen is GoG goes under, and we all end up buying on Steam because there aren't any real alternatives anymore, because the world voted with their wallets and all they cared about was pseudo buying old games for as little as possible. DRM-free as a concept then dries up because other places only think of it is a marketing gimmick to sell b-grade content to a handful weirdos. After all Gog failed so clearly nobody cares, or cares enough to not buy games on a leash. Then it will only be us that watched the house burn down that even believe Gog going under had anything to do with pricing. Nobody wins, we just all move on to take the exact same crap somewhere else because at least we already knew they were snakes.

Honestly I'm not buying all the moral outrage. I'm sure some of it is valid, but in a lot of cases I think people are just pissed prices got raised and any argument sounds stronger if you can wrap it in some moral outrage. Raised pricing is enough of a reason for someone to be unhappy, and I don't see the need to swoon over finding out Gog is a tainted angel. Are people going to really be so disillusioned by this that they deliberately migrate to lesser sites to pay the same money, deal with poorer service, buggier games, and DRM? If someone wants to gnaw off their own arm to prove some point that's their business, but I don't think much of anyone is going to care.
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wpegg: No, he was saying they were trusting us on it, and I am suggesting that they have broken a lot of users trust, and encouraged them back to fighting the DRM free movement by being pirates.
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zavlin: In what way did they deceive us to deserve a breach of trust? They've been transparent about the change, why theyr doing it. how and when theyr doing it. Businesses adapt and change. Nobody can forsee every change, and the best you can hope for is that they are honest about the changes they are making. That is all gog has done. I see some people acting like gog put regional prices on games in secret and claimed that they werent. If you cant support gog because of beliefs around regional pricing, fine. I just hope those beliefs would apply to anybody that uses regional pricing.
I would refer you to my Previous answer If that's not enough, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Post edited March 02, 2014 by wpegg
I'll stay here .
The only thing that baffles me is how this devs and publishers can get away with the 1$=1Euro... The MD letter describes why GoG need to bow down to it but why does that fallacy came to be and still exists? Is it because people don't care, don't know and/or don't mind being exploited? Is it because of steam no caring about it? After all even they profit from it so it's a win-win. I remember when steam charged me $$$ then suddenly something happened and they start charging everyone Euros, tho the numbers kept the same... why?! :)
Post edited March 02, 2014 by nadenitza