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^ @ GameRager

I didn't comment on the justice system being innocent until proven guilty. However I still see, acknowledge, and agree w/the point you made there. I should add that it's also sad that those who disagree w/the jurors are labelled as members of a mob mentality, instead of being recognized as people who saw the case facts for themselves, and reached a different conclusion (though I readily admit that there's always gonna be stupid people, on both sides of the coin, who'll inevitably become part of a mob mentality).

And read what I wrote again in the post of mine you're addressing: I'm not one to fall prey into a mob mentality. I was pointing out that those who've studied the facts of the case & disagreed w/the jurors are labelled as folk in a mob mentality, instead of people who thought for themselves.

I hate the mob mentality no matter where it's coming from. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough. You're implying & answering (like putting words in my mouth) to a wrong thing about me.
Post edited July 07, 2011 by bladeofBG
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BlazeKING: Obviously shes guilty, no mother would party and have a good time when their child was missing or dead and she didn't care about the baby when she was caught, she was worried about herself. Then she lied to police multiple times, her car smelled like human corpse, she looked up cloroform 100 times...Comon folks you don't need a video tape of someone slaughtering someone in order to get a conviction. You don't need a knife in the back with fingerprints for a conviction.

I knew in the beginning she would be not guilty though. Why? Jury's don't convinct mothers who kill their kids especially not pretty innocent looking white ones. Now, if she were black or hispanic or ugly trust me, she'd probably be dead by now from death penalty. If it were a male, he would be lethally injected by now.

She won't be free for long though...sociopaths usually all wind up where they belong, in prison.
Harsh much? People can be innocent of major crimes and still lie to police for various reasons good and bad(they don't know what they did or know they're innocent yet forget due to being in the spotlight and freeze mentally & make up something on the spot, etc). People can also be happy even if people close to them are dead(they didn't like that person and/or are mentally unsound, etc).

And no you don't need physical direct evidence for a conviction, but you DO NEED to prove the prosecution's theories to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

Also the car smelling like death thing was heresay.....they tested the car and found no direct evidence that a body had been inside it. Same for the chloroform evidence being no direct proof....I look up shit like that all the time out of utter curiosity from watching crime shows and the like.
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bladeofBG: ^ @ GameRager

I didn't comment on the justice system being innocent until proven guilty. However I still see, acknowledge, and agree w/the point you made there. I should add that it's also sad that those who disagree w/the jurors are labelled as members of a mob mentality, instead of being recognized as people who saw the case facts for themselves, and reached a different conclusion (though I readily admit that there's always gonna be stupid people, on both sides of the coin, who'll inevitably become part of a mob mentality).

And read what I wrote again in the post of mine you're addressing: I'm not one to fall prey into a mob mentality. I was pointing out that those who've studied the facts of the case & disagreed w/the jurors are labelled as folk in a mob mentality, instead of people who thought for themselves.

I hate the mob mentality no matter where it's coming from. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough. You're implying & answering (like putting words in my mouth) to a wrong thing about me.
Sorry then but IMO anyone who "thinks for themselves" by watching news reports only and/or maybe listening to other's who've done the same amount of "research" hasn't thought for themselves and their opinion holds no real weight over those who HAVE DONE their research.....poured over available evidence allowed for public consumption, talked to witnesses, etc.
Post edited July 07, 2011 by GameRager
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GameRager: Prove she did it. Got any proof? Photos? DNA? Witnesses? Hmm? We don't put people away due to circumstances and heresay usually if we can help it.
What? Whether she is responsible or not has nothing to do with my comment. Regardless of who is responsible, her daughter is dead, therefore she is not what I would consider "fortunate."
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GameRager: Prove she did it. Got any proof? Photos? DNA? Witnesses? Hmm? We don't put people away due to circumstances and heresay usually if we can help it.
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Darling_Jimmy: What? Whether she is responsible or not has nothing to do with my comment. Regardless of who is responsible, her daughter is dead, therefore she is not what I would consider "fortunate."
I took the comment wrongly and for the mistake I made I apologize.
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GameRager: I took the comment wrongly and for the mistake I made I apologize.
No need, GR. It's 'aight.
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GameRager: Prove she did it. Got any proof? Photos? DNA? Witnesses? Hmm? We don't put people away due to circumstances and heresay usually if we can help it.
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Darling_Jimmy: What? Whether she is responsible or not has nothing to do with my comment. Regardless of who is responsible, her daughter is dead, therefore she is not what I would consider "fortunate."
Well, "fortunate" was my choice of word, so I should explain it.

You are right; her situation is hardly what anyone would think of as "fortunate"; it is very sad, and nothing that happened in court will ever bring her daughter back.

But there remains an enormous difference between being released for time served or on parole or probation for some mere misdemeanor counts of lying, and dying in one of the hellholes that pass for prison in the US (whether by life sentence or execution).

If she were innocent and escaped a miscarriage of justice, I would not think it unfair to call it good fortune, even if there is much else for her to grieve over. At least she will not be grieving in prison, and that counts for a lot.
Post edited July 07, 2011 by cjrgreen
Soooooo, now are they going to try and find out who the real killer is?
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thelovebat: Soooooo, now are they going to try and find out who the real killer is?
Prosecution is an acutely practical endeavor, and they would not waste their time, personnel, and budget on what would end up being a weaker case than the one they already lost. So, not likely.
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thelovebat: Soooooo, now are they going to try and find out who the real killer is?
IIRC, it was either she killed the kid herself or the kid drowned in a pool on accident. There was no murder with the final defense.
Post edited July 07, 2011 by Wraith
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thelovebat: Soooooo, now are they going to try and find out who the real killer is?
I doubt it, at least not without some new information coming to light that gives a clear indication to look somewhere else.

It does happen occasionally, last week a man around here was arrested on suspicion of committing a murder in 1957 and from time to time we've still got folks being arrested for murders in the '60s.

Cold cases are a real crap shoot, sometimes time loosens lips and other times no new evidence is ever found. At this point, this is more or less a cold case, they've chased all the leads they've got and ended up with an acquittal.

as cjrgreen said if they had a stronger case against somebody else they would have gone with that.
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thelovebat: Soooooo, now are they going to try and find out who the real killer is?
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hedwards: I doubt it, at least not without some new information coming to light that gives a clear indication to look somewhere else.

It does happen occasionally, last week a man around here was arrested on suspicion of committing a murder in 1957 and from time to time we've still got folks being arrested for murders in the '60s.

Cold cases are a real crap shoot, sometimes time loosens lips and other times no new evidence is ever found. At this point, this is more or less a cold case, they've chased all the leads they've got and ended up with an acquittal.

as cjrgreen said if they had a stronger case against somebody else they would have gone with that.
There's a nifty cold-case murder in Los Angeles that was recently cracked (when the alleged perp was picked up many years later in Massachusetts, for kidnapping his daugher, whom he claimed had telepathically called on him from London to "rescue" her). See news accounts of con man and bat-shit crazy nutjob Christian Karl Gerhartsreiter, who went by the name "Clark Rockefeller" for many years (and was the subject of the made-for-TV movie "Who is Clark Rockefeller?" [Lifetime, 2010])