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StingingVelvet: There are people who hate my favorite game and people who hate yours. I do think however there are certain objective measures of quality for certain aspects of games. For instance, no matter what your opinion is of the rest of the game you have to admit the repeated content and locations of DA2 are an objective flaw.
I agree, but the edge was taken off that particular flaw since Bioware always repeat content. Mass Effect featured roughly 6 distinct locations (themselves being pretty repetitive apart from the Citadel), lots of planets that were featureless and may as well have been randomly generated (or palette swaps) and then upon said planets there were one of two endlessly repeated buildings or the same endlessly repeated cave. They didn't even disguise the fact, at least in DA2 you entered from different points as some weak attempt to disguise the repetition. I know you could argue that Kirkwall was more relevant to DA2 than Denerim was to DA:O, but Denerim was one marketplace surrounded by only 3 or 4 enterable buildings and then 4 repeated, identical and unpopulated back alleys.

What really stopped me liking DA:O as much as I may have was the fact that the facial and body animations were distracitingly poor to the point of actually be funny. The voice acting was generally weak - sometimes embarrassingly so (the stereotypically gay blacksmith "artiste", for example) and even when it was good (Alistair) it sounded out of place (he sounded like a modern day student from the south of England). DA2 improved in those regards while also making the experience more suitable for console - and that's obviously annoying if you were playing it on PC. It's just that if you read most of the negative reviews on Amazon, you'll see people naming all these terrible things that DA2 did that also apply to DA:O equally ("unrealistic because you don't need to eat" being a particularly odd one).
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keeveek: ORLY? Ive read the announce on EA.com that Dragon Age 2 sold 1 milion copies much faster than Origins did.
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nondeplumage: And The Phantom Menace sold more tickets faster than The Empire Strikes Back.
The population of the US had risen by 100 million in that time and much had changed economically since then. No such change happened between DA:O and DA2 - plus people had played the demo and the same people who hate DA2 now hated it before it was released. There were obviously more than enough people who liked it to mean it did better.
Post edited May 10, 2011 by Export
The population of the US had risen by 100 million in that time and much had changed economically since then. No such change happened between DA:O and DA2 - plus people had played the demo and the same people who hate DA2 now hated it before it was released. There were obviously more than enough people who liked it to mean it did better.
+1 rep for that post of reason.

And ive forgotten about DA2 demo, which was avaible before the DA2 premiere, so nobody can say "I thought it will be different"
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Spider-man 3 sold more faster than Spider-man 2. Transformers 2 set new records. You can go on and on. Anticipation of an event based on past experience pushes sales. The quality doesn't automatically mean much; look at Avatar and Transformers 2.
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nondeplumage: Spider-man 3 sold more faster than Spider-man 2. Transformers 2 set new records. You can go on and on. Anticipation of an event based on past experience pushes sales. The quality doesn't automatically mean much; look at Avatar and Transformers 2.
What's wrong with the quality of Avatar or Transformers 2? Man, you're just crying over a fact that PEOPLE like different things than YOU, oh dear.
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keeveek: What's wrong with the quality of Avatar or Transformers 2?
Oh my stars and garters.
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keeveek: What's wrong with the quality of Avatar or Transformers 2?
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nondeplumage: Oh my stars and garters.
Yep. Bitchin' without any arguments is really mature.

Have you SEEN avatar and transformers 2, or you're just SO OPPOSITE, because it's cool? :D

have you ever considered rating Avatar and transformers 2 IN THEIR own genre, or you're comparing them to the Godfather? Or maybe you've read in the internet about these movies and now you just KNOW how bad they are?

Me lol'd hard. Go and discuss with yourself. Or among other people who don't realize that reality has moved further.
Post edited May 10, 2011 by keeveek
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keeveek: you're just crying over a fact that PEOPLE like different things than YOU, oh dear.
and you fail to realize he also has the right not to like things you like, you might want to reconsider your approach to debate which is very much trolling and flaming, if you have something to say try to say that in respectfull and civil tones :)
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keeveek: you're just crying over a fact that PEOPLE like different things than YOU, oh dear.
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dr.zli: and you fail to realize he also has the right not to like things you like, you might want to reconsider your approach to debate which is very much trolling and flaming, if you have something to say try to say that in respectfull and civil tones :)
Not really. Because i'm not saying

i didn't like the game/movie so it means IT'S BAD AND HORRIBLE like he or she does

The difference between objective and subjective opinion is clear. I don't like Dragon Age 2, i don't like Transformers 2, but i won't stand some guy telling this is crap because HE didn't like it. Because he or she is soo above that all.... and looking from there at us, small people, like God himself. Because he thinks Avatar is a bad movie.
Post edited May 10, 2011 by keeveek
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dr.zli: and you fail to realize he also has the right not to like things you like, you might want to reconsider your approach to debate which is very much trolling and flaming, if you have something to say try to say that in respectfull and civil tones :)
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keeveek: Not really. Because i'm not saying

i didn't like the game/movie so it means IT'S BAD AND HORRIBLE like he or she does

The difference between objective and subjective opinion is clear. I don't like Dragon Age 2, i don't like Transformers 2, but i won't stand some guy telling this is crap because HE didn't like it. Because he or she is soo above that all.... and looking from there at us, small people, like God himself. Because he thinks Avatar is a bad movie.
Sorry I forgot you were appointed by the internet authority to get medieval on asses of anyone who might offend us, the small people. :)
The problem with internet forums is that you can't see the other person, you can't read his facial expression and body language and thus you are missing on some very important parts of human interaction. When reading other comments you must realize some people might be joking, trolling to get your reaction or trying to make their point. Some will be right, some will be wrong, but try not to get offended over such trivial matters such as game preference or quality of some movie. His, your and my opinion count and have equal value, if we don't like something it's just our opinion and not a direct attack on you or anyone else :)
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dr.zli: Sorry I forgot you were appointed by the internet authority to get medieval on asses of anyone who might offend us, the small people. :)
The problem with internet forums is that you can't see the other person, you can't read his facial expression and body language and thus you are missing on some very important parts of human interaction. When reading other comments you must realize some people might be joking, trolling to get your reaction or trying to make their point. Some will be right, some will be wrong, but try not to get offended over such trivial matters such as game preference or quality of some movie. His, your and my opinion count and have equal value, if we don't like something it's just our opinion and not a direct attack on you or anyone else :)
You are obviously right, but as you well said - this is Internet. And I don't really care what other people think, or troll or anything, because I will never meet them. If they're posting bullshit like "Dragon Age 2 is crap because I didn't like it, and people are stupid buying this" (which may be extracted from previous posts" i react the same, but maybe too strong and 'medieval', so I apologize.

But when i see a comment like this:
keeveek: What's wrong with the quality of Avatar or Transformers 2? image
Oh my stars and garters.
i can't see it as opinion, so it doesn't deserve respect.

there's a difference between "i don't like dragon age 2, i think it's crap" and "I don't like Dragon Age 2 and all others who think otherwise are silly and stupid"
Post edited May 10, 2011 by keeveek
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dr.zli: Sorry I forgot you were appointed by the internet authority to get medieval on asses of anyone who might offend us, the small people. :)
The problem with internet forums is that you can't see the other person, you can't read his facial expression and body language and thus you are missing on some very important parts of human interaction. When reading other comments you must realize some people might be joking, trolling to get your reaction or trying to make their point. Some will be right, some will be wrong, but try not to get offended over such trivial matters such as game preference or quality of some movie. His, your and my opinion count and have equal value, if we don't like something it's just our opinion and not a direct attack on you or anyone else :)
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keeveek: You are obviously right, but as you well said - this is Internet. And I don't really care what other people think, or troll or anything, because I will never meet them. If they're posting bullshit like "Dragon Age 2 is crap because I didn't like it, and people are stupid buying this" (which may be extracted from previous posts" i react the same, but maybe too strong and 'medieval', so I apologize.

But when i see a comment like this:
keeveek: What's wrong with the quality of Avatar or Transformers 2? image
Oh my stars and garters.
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keeveek: i can't see it as opinion, so it doesn't deserve respect.
so don't react! :D if he's trolling you just fed him and his mission is accomplished. If that's his opinion or a way he presents his opinion then you don't have to respond if you find it immature or not worthy of comment, get rid of the feeling that you have to respond to everything posted and your life on the internet will become easier ;)
I guess this thread wildly deviated from what OP originaly intended to convey :(
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dr.zli: so don't react! :D if he's trolling you just fed him and his mission is accomplished. If that's his opinion or a way he presents his opinion then you don't have to respond if you find it immature or not worthy of comment, get rid of the feeling that you have to respond to everything posted and your life on the internet will become easier ;)
I guess this thread wildly deviated from what OP originaly intended to convey :(
There was a meme of some kind like this:
"Show your true self. Tell everyone this was a great troll"

Trolls deserve slaying :P

But you're right, sometimes i need to have my riots of fire slowed down :D

End of subject, because as you mentioned, we're far from the OP's topic now...
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lukipela: Then stfu?
Wow... just wow.
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lukipela: Then stfu?
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