nice going taking my posts out of context.

haven't you understood the issue at hand at all? if i have a legit CD-key, i have a legal licence. a legal CD-key is a numerical representation of your licence.

where i get the game data is of secondary concern at best. in my country, AFAIK, downloading is legal as long as you don't share/upload.

piracy is downloading a game WITHOUT legally owning a licence, and without ever paying for the game.

I do get your point, just let me add:

In most countries downloading even with a licence is considered piracy. And in yet other countries the downloading itself of any game is not considered piracy, but the connected upload (if using p2p).

Therefore I don't fucking care for legality and use my morality as a guide when it comes to gaming. As should everybody.

I don't know the laws around the world, or even here at home, so this may not mean much. Here in Sweden: if I go to a pizzeria and buy a pizza to eat there, it's taxed differently for them than if I go to the same place and buy the same pizza "to go" (I presume because one is classed as a service and the other a food product, or something).

Not really - because it concerns onyl the EU law and is revelant to a subvention for fishermen.

France has quite large group of farmers (?) who produce snails, and French politics wanted EU to give them subventions. So EU now recognizes snails as fish, and snails producers in France get subvensions. But it only concerns this case, not other genres of law.

this should be the bottom line of this thread.

Are steam games mant to be run without steam ? No, and that's the way the publishers/develoopers choose to release their games. So accept that if steam closes, without taking care of its customers somehow, you'll have to simply walk away if you want to live by your own words. Entertaining anything else means going against what the publsihers/develoopers lined up for their product which makes the serial angle irrelevant, like the majority of the, what i'd hardly call, arguments raised in this thread.

Not according to the DRM pushing industry it isn't, legally bought copy or not if you download it for whatever reason it goes in the 'piracy' tally.

You are right.

And that's why DD services provide service. But in both cases, there's a sale included, and that's my point.

How something is taxed has, at least here, nothing to do with what it is legally. Tax laws are written independently of legal laws. And since some taxations are even changeable without the parliament, they can never be used to interpred laws. Otherwise the executive branch would have an illegal influence on law making.

Taxes are a great way to "influence" or "reward" certain businesses,there they are often differently taxed. E.g. many countires know "luxury goods" and "basic goods" with different tax levels, yet legally they are the same.

Edit: Am I the only one that is getting hungry?

If you call for a plumber, and he fixes your bathtub, all parts he attached to it are yours, you own them.

It doesn't mean the plumber sold it to you. This is my point :P I was eating a pizze, so this is mostly why I brought that up :D

I'm considering to order one right now. But first I have to do some sport ...


What happens on Steam when a game gets removed from the catalogue btw? Can you still download and play it? E.g. Indigo Prophecy

The games are still avaible to download for those who purchased them, AFAIK

Well, I'd say those parts become component (część składowa) and the ownership of the component cannot be different than the ownership of the main item.

But this is something different than pizza - if you want to get a cabine shower, and you order it with a service of installing it in your bathroom, then it's like ordering pizza - you buy a cabine shower, and you get a service, so you got it installed.

If law say that for context of calculating of subventions snails fall under "fish" provision the you are right.
but if law say snails are fish for all purpose including but not limited to trading, exchange, subventions then you can serve snails and claim they are fish.


which is really really weird. i think we need a new thread for that.

there is double taxation In your example with shower. Once tax is paid for buying a shower cabin , and second time for installing it. And there are two prices, even. This is why some shops provide "installing for free" (while it's actually counted in items price) to not pay double taxes.

Pizzeria is paying only one tax, for providing a service. Not for providing a service and selling a pizza.

It has nothing to do with ownership. You don't have to buy things to become an owner.

Ok, but this is only a matter for a tax law.

It doesn't mean you don't buy a pizza in Pizza Hut - it means they include selling pizza in their service.