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General discussion (archive)Do you think Pluto should still be the ninth planet?(95 posts)(95 posts)
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Posted November 12, 2012
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Telika: My opinion is that pluto is the only planet.
which is quite logical if you decide to name other bodies as "chipmunks"
Posted November 12, 2012
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Fesin: I really don't know why they didn't adopt the term of Plutoid as an official category. It's much more descriptive than "dawrf planet", which would suggest that they are just tiny planets, even though they aren't.
"Plutoid" on the other hand means "like Pluto". So one would only need to look at Pluto (made of ice, very small, but still large enough to have a spherical shape) and would know the exact definition of a Plutoid.
Much better than "dawrf planet".
Especially since "dwarf star" already exists as a classification and is essentially just a smaller (but otherwise normal) star. The only reason I can think of is that "Plutoid" is a really, really ugly name.
Posted November 12, 2012
You will always be a planet to me, Pluto. <3
Posted November 12, 2012
No not really :P
But if I was one of the astronomers who found it my answer would probably be yes :P
Posted November 12, 2012
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Theta_Sigma: Actually for starters, that is kind of part of my point, (as I have previously stated in other posts), it's all a matter of opinion. To me Pluto will always be a planet, and I think it's only right to restore it's previous status. It still isn't a majority when it's only the opinions of a few deciding what is to be thought by the whole. I realize this is usually how it works, but it doesn't make it right, either.
You have every right to think that way, and while I think your opinion about that is complete bullshit I accept your right to believe that, and speaking said opinion in a civilized manner. My point is newer, isn't always better, take for example how medical science has gone from certain foods being good...then bad...then good for you again. Many of said studies on the subject come from the same place as well. Sometimes the old ways are the best ways, not always but sometimes.
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lukaszthegreat: Pluto not being a planet is not matter of opinion. It is a fact. Nothing to belief nothing to have an opinion. It is simply a scientific fact.
You can question the definition by providing reasons why it is wrong which would make a pluto a planet.
but it is not an opinion of yours whether Pluto is or is not a planet.
My point if it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, what is it? A duck.
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lukaszthegreat: Your point is wrong because it does not quack like a duck it does not look like a duck and it does not act like a duck.
its tiny (smaller than our moon)
it didn't clear its surroundings
it is 'eight planet' for 1/3 of its year
has lots of neighbours which are similar.

I do not make the argument for Pluto because it is what I was taught, so much as, I do it because it is what I actually believe, despite what another group thinks I should believe. Again, as I stated previously, if it looks like a duck, and it sounds like a duck, what is it? A duck.

That all being said, you are still entitled to believe as you wish, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinions, just voicing mine.
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lukaszthegreat: again:

it is not matter of belief or opinion. Pluto is a dwarf planet. this is a fact, undisputed in every way.
The definition of what consists a planet is something you can argue against. You can provide reasons why it is flawed. You did not....
your argument is: 'just because it was a planet when i was growing up' is not a reason.
and again:
Majority chose the definition of the planet.

Anyway:
Pluto never again is going to be a ninth planet. It can be tenth because ceres will be fifth if pluto ever becomes a planet.
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Export: This has nothing to do with this argument, but actually wasn't at least one Newtonian Law found to be incorrect? I seem to remember reading that he said that if the Sun suddenly disappeared, the Earth would drift off into space, and that this would happen as soon as the Sun disappeared. That would mean that the gravity was moving considerably faster than the speed of light - something like 697,168,598 MPH faster than lightspeed, so more than double. Though to be fair, I think it was more of an oversight than a belief he held.
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lukaszthegreat: if sun disappeared it would take eight minutes for us to notice for earth to 'fly away" gravity indeed 'travel' at speed of light.

Newtonian laws are pretty much all bullshit nowadays. They work fairly okay in everyday life but they are nothing more than fairly good approximation of the world
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Theta_Sigma: ["universally accepted fact" such as gravity
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lukaszthegreat: the arguments about gravity faaar outweigh the arguments about pluto. there are hypothesis which actually state that gravity as we common folks understand it does not actually exists.
really picked a bad example


anyhow
pluto being not a planet is not an opinion. it is a fact.
By which what something is called is when a group of people subject A is called, a whatchamahuzit, or a flibbityjibbit, and people vote on one term over another, so yes on some level it IS opinion. The word used to describe something is based on the most popular choice. To say what we call the masses of which we live upon (or in some cases could, and I'm talking bodies such as Mars here). My opinion is not that everyone must think how I think that Pluto is a planet, just that I say it is. If someone concurs great, if not that's not a big deal to me either.

Perhaps I was being disingenuous by using the duck analogy, but I was really at just being figurative, not so much literal. I do apologize for the confusion. My point (as I previously mentioned) that I actually think all dwarf planets should be considered planets. My point wasn't that it wasn't a dwarf planet, but that dwarf planets should be considered planets, period.

I actually elaborated on my view (previously stated here and in a previous post before this) of the matter. And, as I stated I simply wanted to voice the fact I think Pluto, should regain it's planetary status. Again, I am not disputing it being a dwarf planet, but a dwarf planet should be considered a planet. I never really meant to come across as 'because it was when I was growing up', I apologize if it came out that way. I don't really care what number it is, so long as it is considered a planet.

To be fair, again, it is still debated by scientists about Pluto's degrading from planet status. This thread, and the scientific community is proof of that, therefore that's why I stated that rather callously. I, myself, have never met anyone who disputed gravity; at least, no one still alive that is. :P

You should really add "for the time being" or "in current human understanding" to that. Like a few people like to mention, facts change to understanding/perspective, and to say something a fact as if it is irrefutable, or will never change, seems a touch "off".

I do thank you for your civil tongue in debating my thoughts and views. However, I with how medicated I am right now; I'm not even sure if anything I'm saying is coming across clearly, or coherent. Then again, right now, onions and peanut-butter on toast sounds most appealing...mmm I'm hungry now.
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Theta_Sigma: Or change it's name to Goofy! :D
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Aaron86: No. Change its name to Yuggoth.
Or better yet, Shub-Niggurath, or Yog-Sathoth! :D
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