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HGiles: Answered your first question in the post you quoted. I use my ereader for books that are reflowable text, not for ones that need a fixed layout.
Technically, the text should be reflowable (the epub format is), but some elements like pictures and tables inherently aren't (same is true for websites which tend to be the poster child of reflowable content when designed right) and textbooks tend to have more than their fare share of those.

I've had problems with those on documents where the rest of the text reflowed smoothly on a 9.7 inches ereader.

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HGiles: Making a technical device is complex, and an audience of a few million really isn't enough to support a device with the kind of breakage problems that a large ereader would have. Since there's already multifunction tablets at that size I think we have to wait for improvements in LCD technology to decrease eyestrain.
Fair enough.

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HGiles: Epub isn't nearly as generic as its supporters would like you think. There's several different flavors of epub engines, and the idea that epub books render the same everywhere is laughable. epub3 also poses its own intense security risks that no one on the design committee is willing to talk about, so I completely understand app developers being wary of adding epub3 features to their app. Adobe hasn't even released their epub3 renderer yet.
Well, pdf and epub were the two main formats I encountered in all the DRM-free bookstores I purchased from.

Either one or the other (usually both) have been included.

There is no security risk to speak of for DRM-free content from legitimate stores.

From the store's perspective, they don't need copy-protection because the content is DRM-free and from the costumer's perspective, he doesn't need to worry about the content doing something it shouldn't, because it was purchased at a legitimate end point.

Security comes into play once they want to put DRM or once you get content from untrusted sources, but for the purpose of buying DRM-free stuff from legitimate sell points, the security of the format is a non-issue.

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HGiles: A book in basically any DRM-free format can be converted into another format. Epub isn't unique in that.
Please, no. The various formats are a nightmare to navigate with videos (what info is lost in the conversion, will it display properly on such and such a device, etc). You don't want the same story for ebooks.

No conversion, standard format only pls.

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HGiles: If you're selling something, why should you support your competitor's store for that item?
Because customer needs comes first and it's the right thing to do for your customer?

In any places were there isn't a collusion of interest, that is what content distributors strive to do (strive because resources are a constraint and the various end-point platform don't always make it easy).

When you make a website, you don't want it to show properly only on a mobile device or on a desktop or on such and such a browser.

Similar line of thought when you release a desktop app.

You want to extend your coverage as much as possible.

That should ALWAYS be the case. As far as I'm concerned, the system is misbehaving when it stops being the case.

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HGiles: Businesses exist to make money. There are certainly moral aspects to DRM-free, but businesses wouldn't stay in business if it didn't make business sense. Adobe keeps making their DRM scheme make less and less business sense.
That's where we disagree.

I think the #1 priority of business is to provide a sustainable service (which includes putting food on the table and a roof over those providing it).

After that, the priority of a business starts being a subjective concept.
Post edited February 13, 2014 by Magnitus
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jjsimp: This is the biggest reason why I remove the DRM from every Amazon eBook I own as soon as I purchase it. I also convert them to epub and mobi. How small the file sizes are, it's not a problem having 3 copies of the same file. I wish I would have had the foresight to do this with my .lit eBook purchases. But all the books I have locked in that format, I pirated from that great library on the bay.
You are part of the problem. By buying DRM you support the stores which sell DRM. There is no incentive for them to stop it. If everybody just stopped buying DRM, the world would be a much better place.
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TDP: Someday the detestible Steam platform will die, and there will be an epic butthurt of people who can't play their games anymore (especially the Steamworks titles), and it will be 100% their own fault for buying into a DRM platform.
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Starkrun: Steam has a clause in effect it will aloow the on the fly offline decryption of the launch EXE's for all titles that use SteamWorks. Its in the EULA for steam and all devs must adhere to this when they launch a product.
Even if that clause should exist, if steam goes bankrupt, how do you want to enforce it? If they are bankrupt, they can't fullfill all of their obligations, who guarantees that this one will be fullfilled?
Post edited February 14, 2014 by ivanovich
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Starkrun: Steam has a clause in effect it will aloow the on the fly offline decryption of the launch EXE's for all titles that use SteamWorks. Its in the EULA for steam and all devs must adhere to this when they launch a product.
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ivanovich: Even if that clause should exist, if steam goes bankrupt, how do you want to enforce it? If they are bankrupt, they can't fullfill all of their obligations, who guarantees that this one will be fullfilled?
Exactly. Once their bankrupt then all bets are off. It'll be whatever the bankruptcy agreement says, not what it says today. Even so, I would fear it being implemented correctly or at all.

If I utilized Steam more (than the one or two games I have on it), I'd always be worried about a DRM Strikes Again: Digital Comics Distributor JManga Closing Down... And Deleting Everyone's Purchases like event occurring. Which is why I use it minimally.
Post edited February 14, 2014 by Martek
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ivanovich: You are part of the problem. By buying DRM you support the stores which sell DRM. There is no incentive for them to stop it. If everybody just stopped buying DRM, the world would be a much better place.
I wish I could read just the classics or whatever those DRM-Free sites have, but frankly there are too many good books locked behind a stupid copyright that should have expired when the author died. My only other choice for reading some of those recent classics is buying them in paper form (which sucks) or downloading them from that library on the bay (which I don't feel comfortable doing).
I used to do piracy of digital contents of all kinds (video, cartoon, tv series, games, software, etc...). But I have realized what I did was wrong. It's like taking other's belongings without their consents, or simply put, stealing. So I have stopped doing that. I have deleted almost everything I used to pirate (Except some gba and psx roms. :P I think I'll delete those too). So I'll support DRM-free products because I think DRM is one problem causing piracy. I was tempted to buy SWKOTOR 1 & 2 so many times from Steam because I love those games a lot. But I resisted because they're not DRM-free. Even though I can easily find cracks like I used to, I still feel that it wasn't right. It won't be legit. I want a copy that is truly DRM-free. So, well, I'm waiting, GOG! (No pressure, but if you can provide them, i'm sure many people will be happy. lol XD )
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ivanovich: Even if that clause should exist, if steam goes bankrupt, how do you want to enforce it? If they are bankrupt, they can't fullfill all of their obligations, who guarantees that this one will be fullfilled?
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Martek: Exactly. Once their bankrupt then all bets are off. It'll be whatever the bankruptcy agreement says, not what it says today. Even so, I would fear it being implemented correctly or at all.

If I utilized Steam more (than the one or two games I have on it), I'd always be worried about a DRM Strikes Again: Digital Comics Distributor JManga Closing Down... And Deleting Everyone's Purchases like event occurring. Which is why I use it minimally.
I tried to find the email but I've deleted it, it was an official response from steam. Worst case scenario you can archive the downloads on a 2nd hard disk and if steam poofs you still have all the games. But its been started in there forums and I have read it from there own support team. They will release a client that needs no internet access to launch the games that only use steamworks.
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HGiles: The problem is that competing paper and tablet products are good enough that manufacturers simply skipped larger ereaders. Sony was coming out with something interesting in Japan that had a flexible display, but since they're getting out of ereaders who knows what that will come to. There's also been advances in LCDs to reduce eyestrain, but those are years away from production.
I really wish I had the disposable income to pick up an OLPC X1. I'm really curious how the Pixel Qi screen's black-and-white reflective (backlight off) mode compares to my eReader's ePaper screen on that front.

...partly because I remember Pixel Qi announcing that they were gearing up to produce a version of their design with full-color reflective operation.

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king_mosiah: This is why I still shell out the extra money and buy REAL books in 2014, Its hard to insert DRM into dead trees and ink as it turns out.
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IAmSinistar: I as well, especially with art books. But as a compulsive bibliophile I just don't have physical space for all my books anymore. Hence my need to go digital often. And I love the idea of being on vacation with literally hundreds of books to choose from.
I still collect print books but I'm planning to scrounge some scrap plywood and then print out the camera compatibility list from DIY Book Scanner and take it around to local pawn shops so I can build a book scanner cheaply.

That way, I can continue to collect from used book stores, library "stuff we don't need" boutiques, and other similar sources while also having them on my eReader.

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IAmSinistar: A somewhat old but good example of the problem with ebook DRM. The most apt example there ever could be, really, given the book in question.

With DRM what you buy you never really own.
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Rusty_Gunn: it was because of this very situation that when I did get me an e-reader I made sure that it didn't have wifi capability

with the one I have, I have the choice of using a USB cable or micro SD card to transfer files
I care about this but, in my case, I didn't need to think about it. I bought a Sony PRS-505 back in the days before eReaders had WiFi and I needed something that'd present itself to my Linux box as a USB hard drive. I got freedom from revocation for free.
If I only pirate and have a nook simple touch, do I have to worry?
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Immoli: If I only pirate and have a nook simple touch, do I have to worry?
Not unless a firmware update locks it down so it only reads DRMed books.

Once again, DRM only hurts legitimate customers.
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Immoli: If I only pirate and have a nook simple touch, do I have to worry?
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ssokolow: Not unless a firmware update locks it down so it only reads DRMed books.

Once again, DRM only hurts legitimate customers.
How is someone that only pirates a 'legitimate' customer? Don't get me wrong, I'm not fan of DRM, it's just that your comment doesn't seem to fit the post you quoted.
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ssokolow: Not unless a firmware update locks it down so it only reads DRMed books.

Once again, DRM only hurts legitimate customers.
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Coelocanth: How is someone that only pirates a 'legitimate' customer? Don't get me wrong, I'm not fan of DRM, it's just that your comment doesn't seem to fit the post you quoted.
That's not what I said. However, I could have been more clear on the two points I was making:

1. To break pirated books, they'd also have to break legally-purchased books from DRM-free stores... which they won't do.
2. Therefore, the DRM update may break purchased books but pirated books will be fine.
3. Therefore, once again, DRM harms paying customers more than pirates... which is directly counter to its intended purpose.
Post edited February 21, 2014 by ssokolow
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Immoli: If I only pirate and have a nook simple touch, do I have to worry?
Can you install Android apps on that edition? I haven't had a Nook for a long while now so I don't know what the current models offer. But if you can, then you could install another ebook reader app that isn't DRM locked, assuming B&N ever locked theirs.
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ssokolow: That's not what I said. However, I could have been more clear on the two points I was making:

1. To break pirated books, they'd also have to break legally-purchased books from DRM-free stores... which they won't do.
2. Therefore, the DRM update may break purchased books but pirated books will be fine.
3. Therefore, once again, DRM harms paying customers more than pirates... which is directly counter to its intended purpose.
Ah, yes. That actually should have been obvious. I didn't think it through, I guess. Carry on, then. :)