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hedwards: So, the problem is that they employ lawyers and make use of them. Those cads, what's next, using accountants to do their taxes.

Complaining about what CDP did and then complaining that the companies are using loopholes really implies that companies shouldn't be able to protect themselves.

The issue of whether or not these people did anything wrong being a completely different issue.
I'm not going into this again, as I have already derailed the thread enough. You can gladly go to one of the threads we had back then and read everything discussed there.

I will not miss dtp, but to their defense, they did publish Drakensang DRM free.
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wodmarach: *COUGH* TO GET US BACK ON TOPIC...

As I said in most cases rights will revert to devs IF the company is dissolved as most games are dev'd on an advance, they will have to repay costs to the creditors which is often done by... auctioning off the publishing rights as part of the publishers sale...
I would expect that they will sell some publishing rights of already existing and healthy game series to get some cash influx. Again, Drakensang comes to mind.
Post edited April 30, 2012 by SimonG
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hedwards: No it wouldn't, civil affairs aren't handled using the same courts as the criminal ones are typically. It depends a bit where you are, but civil cases have their own resources to draw upon.
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gameon: Well even so, i still believe that the pirates could be given a chance to pay what they owe back, instead of being labeled as thiefs and criminals.

If the people who pirated dont pay the money back, then take the action.
They are being offered the ability to pay back what they owe. Once the company has to spend money on investigation and processing it, the person that's infringed should be the one to pay.

Letting people just pay what they would have paid had they not been caught infringing on the copyright would make it basically pointless to enforce as you'd always come out even if you pirated and most of the time you'd come out ahead.
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wodmarach: *COUGH* TO GET US BACK ON TOPIC...

As I said in most cases rights will revert to devs IF the company is dissolved as most games are dev'd on an advance, they will have to repay costs to the creditors which is often done by... auctioning off the publishing rights as part of the publishers sale...
I think this might be a chance for GOG or CDP since they are so geographically near. They understand the market here.
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gameon: It would be a chance to distribute "exclusive" titles here for GOG users. But do they have the money to buy companies like that?
Depends. Anyway, it wouldn't be GOG who would lead the talks, but CD Projekt RED, the parent company. They probably have the funds and some interest in this deal to make it work. In the end, it's a numbers game.
i do dislike those legal scams on principle, but unless i get one myself, i really don't give a crap. for all i know, only pirates get those.

dtp have published some good games in the past, the Drakensang games for example, so i'd be sad to see them go. i sure as hell don't want to see the same happen to Kalypso. JoWood deserved it, but these companies don't.
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Titanium: Depends. Anyway, it wouldn't be GOG who would lead the talks, but CD Projekt RED, the parent company. They probably have the funds and some interest in this deal to make it work. In the end, it's a numbers game.
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gameon: Sure, if they have enough interest, and spare cash, we could see a whole host of games distributed here and faster than the rest, because they'd own the IP of those games...
Not necessarily. DTP E. was mainly a publisher, we don't know how licencing was directed. They may not have full rights to sell the games through digital publishers like GOG, only retail and similar. There's a lot of smoke on the horizon right now, you can't be sure what's gonna happen.
Hmm. Browsing through their catalogue, most of their stuff seems to be German licenses of games that have their global rights tied to another company anyway. For example, they apparently published several 1C games, and several Focus games, in Germany. And then some casual stuff. There seems to be very little, if any, original material. Given this, I don't see the big deal (or the chance for GOG). Or am I missing something?
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gameon: They do seem to be the parent company of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranberry_Productions

Apparently it says they developed the guild 1+2 and the black mirror games.
CDP should buy them out from under DTP and start work on The Guild 3. They have my bow...
CDP have no budget for buying those rights or whatsoever. They are spending all their money on production of two high budget games. ;)
Post edited April 30, 2012 by Aver
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Aver: CDP have no budget for buying those rights or whatsoever. They are spending all their money on production of two high budget games. ;)
Did they post their finances somewhere in public without anybody noticing? Or how would you know this?
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Aver: CDP have no budget for buying those rights or whatsoever. They are spending all their money on production of two high budget games. ;)
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Trilarion: Did they post their finances somewhere in public without anybody noticing? Or how would you know this?
They are traded on the polish stock exchange, so yeah, those numbers are in the open. You have to read polish, though...
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SimonG: ...
They are traded on the polish stock exchange, so yeah, those numbers are in the open. You have to read polish, though...
CDP or Optimus is traded on the stock market which means they publish a balance sheet. I am not sure how much information you can derive from this about the ability of GOG to finance investments.
Post edited May 02, 2012 by Trilarion
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SimonG: ...
They are traded on the polish stock exchange, so yeah, those numbers are in the open. You have to read polish, though...
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Trilarion: CDP or Optimus is traded on the stock market which means they publish a balance sheet. I am not sure how much information you can derive from this about the ability of GOG to finance investments.
I did read their yearly report released recently. They have pretty healthy finances but also they have depts for 10M$.