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TheMadSpin: Dude, you have no credibility in this thread.

Ah. The guy preaching maturity starts a sentence with "Dude". Classic.
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TheMadSpin: You posted a thread called "EA starts charging for demos," simply because someone reported that an analyst who doesn't even work for EA said so.

The original source seems to have been an interview with an EA employee who was privy to that sort of information. At any case, it's an interesting topic given the sheer amount of bullshit experimentation we're seeing amongst publishers right now.
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TheMadSpin: Aside from that, if there wasn't a notion of what a traditional demo is, then no one complaining about this would have a semiotic notion of what they're complaining about. Calling something a "traditional demo" especially as a means of clarifying irresponsible remarks by an analyst (and later by misinformed fans and forum posters) seems to be a ratification of the fan idea of what a demo traditionally is. To argue otherwise is nonsense and a very very vague and failing attempt to justify the irresponsible post to begin with.

A demo is traditionally free. EA wants to charge you, and still call it a demo. Where's the nonsense again?
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TheMadSpin: The only thing obvious is that you cherry picked the one source that fit your preexisting notion of how EA works and are doing your very best to justify it even as new information comes out and nullifies it.

I didn't do a full source review, no. I don't have time for that when I'm viewing my gaming news sites. It only sounds a bit too much like something EA would do. New information? Where?
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TheMadSpin: Then again, you're the same guy who created the anti Mass Effect 2 post when you hadn't even played it, so it's not as if your bias and irresponsible "journalism" hasn't been seen here before.

Oh great, dragging in an age-old thread for completely random and nonsensical reasons, involving an article not written by myself, and then trying to blame it all on me. That's real good, real separation of person and cause there. I can't remember exactly what is was about, but as I recall I found an interesting article that showed off some of the major weak points of Mass Effect 2 - a game that had been receiving 96%+ scores from most major reviewers. You'd think it was fucking perfection with that score. Well, it isn't. It's pretty far off in fact. That was what I was trying to get at.
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TheMadSpin: I'm too lazy to go back and see if your brand of sensationalism and pig pigheadedness is reserved for EA or if you just hope to rack up your rep and post count by creating threads devoted to smearing or complaining.

Garbage. Rep? What? Post count? There's no post counter on the forums. Pigheadedness? Sure. For the record, there are people who start WAY more threads here than I do. I just do it when I come across something that I think is interesting. Gaming related that is, if you want to I can start linking scientific publications I find interesting here too.
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TheMadSpin: I know that the only two threads I've ever seen you start are basically just hyperbolic and exaggerated reposts of someone else's ideas that are then backed up with either no personal data, or followed up by ignoring any evidence that undermines your original thesis. That is, in no way, a sound idea.

And you've been here for what? Two weeks? Are you one of Anjohl's alts?
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TheMadSpin: Although that doesn't apply to EA right now because with Dragon Age, Rock Band 2 and Mass Effect 2 they offered tons of free DLC both right out of the box and via followup to people who bought retail copies.
Frankly, if you're not buying retail copies (i.e. if you're buying used copies) then you don't have any real right to talk about what publishers or developers do. (This isn't directed at you akwater, just the market in general).
Saving 5 bucks and seeing money flow out of the pockets of the artist is anathema to me.

The thing with DLC though it is really not that great if you cant even download it..... I ended having to hide my ISP to even download it, which is against Operational Security........ Granted I did not need the DLC but at the same point if it is free why bother with the whole region restricted crap? Obviously I paid for the game otherwise I wouldnt want to buy the dlc?
meh, it still however paying for a prologue demo then waiting a few weeks after release for the actuall game to show up and then spending another week trying to get the DLC to download..........
I'd be ok with if they gave me 5 bucks off the full game, if I bought the demo,
stonebro : They've already clarified that what they were talking about were paid 'prequel' chapter type releases, not demos as they exist now.
And it wasn't really an interview with an EA employee. It was Michael Pachter's interpretation of what he had been told by the head of Visceral. Considering Pachter seems to increasingly be an attention seeking dickbag, I tend to take his thoughts on any games industry related topic with a few tons of salt.
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Crassmaster: stonebro : They've already clarified that what they were talking about were paid 'prequel' chapter type releases, not demos as they exist now.

It's still doesn't make any sense, because they are charging for a, by definition, unfinished product that may never be finished. You can only interpret it as the game itself will be scrapped if the "prequel" does not meet certain sales expectations, leaving those who actually bought it out to dry.
Where's the positive side?
Obviously there's some personal EA hate in it too. They've been the definition of a corporate scumbag company who ceaselessly employs horribly bad practices for years. Requiring developers to work 80+ hour weeks for months on end is fucking ridiculous. And all to release butchered shit like C&C 4: Tiberian Twatfuck. Makes an old grumpy gamer see multiple-colored spots.
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Crassmaster: stonebro : They've already clarified that what they were talking about were paid 'prequel' chapter type releases, not demos as they exist now.
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stonebro: It's still doesn't make any sense, because they are charging for a, by definition, unfinished product that may never be finished. You can only interpret it as the game itself will be scrapped if the "prequel" does not meet certain sales expectations, leaving those who actually bought it out to dry.
Where's the positive side?
Obviously there's some personal EA hate in it too. They've been the definition of a corporate scumbag company who ceaselessly employs horribly bad practices for years. Requiring developers to work 80+ hour weeks for months on end is fucking ridiculous. And all to release butchered shit like C&C 4: Tiberian Twatfuck. Makes an old grumpy gamer see multiple-colored spots.

Like I said: Everything that is bad is the toned down truth. Everything that is good is a lie :p
That being said, even if the game is scrapped, you still have something to play. So that is a pretty positive side.
Fahrenheit was supposed to be a large series. Everything but part of the first one got scrapped. It is still one of the best adventure games :p
Beyond Good & Evil is STILL waiting for a sequel. Doesn't make the original any less spectacular.
So 10-15 bucks for a game. Sounds plausible to me.
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Crassmaster: stonebro : They've already clarified that what they were talking about were paid 'prequel' chapter type releases, not demos as they exist now.
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stonebro: It's still doesn't make any sense, because they are charging for a, by definition, unfinished product that may never be finished. You can only interpret it as the game itself will be scrapped if the "prequel" does not meet certain sales expectations, leaving those who actually bought it out to dry.
Where's the positive side?
Obviously there's some personal EA hate in it too. They've been the definition of a corporate scumbag company who ceaselessly employs horribly bad practices for years. Requiring developers to work 80+ hour weeks for months on end is fucking ridiculous. And all to release butchered shit like C&C 4: Tiberian Twatfuck. Makes an old grumpy gamer see multiple-colored spots.

How are you left out to dry? If you bought the prequel content, the whole concept seems to be that it's a self contained game. They're using it to get their technology and game play tested, but it's independent of the full game. So you're still getting that prequel game to play. You aren't actually out anything.
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stonebro: I didn't do a full source review, no.

Also, I've been a GoG member for 462 days. That has nothing to do with the right to talk.
I don't need to have been around for a while to post legitimate stuff.
You should get that--even though you've been here a while it hasn't hampered your ability to post biased, unsourced and unresearched crap.
Also, I never said, "maturity," I said credibility. Still, using someone's use of "dude" as an argument rebuttal is silly enough that maturity might also be something you're lacking.
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TheMadSpin: Also, I've been a GoG member for 462 days. That has nothing to do with the right to talk.
I don't need to have been around for a while to post legitimate stuff.
You should get that--even though you've been here a while it hasn't hampered your ability to post biased, unsourced and unresearched crap.

You have the right to talk, but you blatantly disregarded every argument I've made, and instead attacked me in person with various poorly conceived insults. When you do that I retain the right to smack you across the gob.
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TheMadSpin: Also, I've been a GoG member for 462 days. That has nothing to do with the right to talk.
I don't need to have been around for a while to post legitimate stuff.
You should get that--even though you've been here a while it hasn't hampered your ability to post biased, unsourced and unresearched crap.
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stonebro: You have the right to talk, but you blatantly disregarded every argument I've made, and instead attacked me in person with various poorly conceived insults. When you do that I retain the right to smack you across the gob.

You didn't make any arguments that were valid. I already addressed this in detail both in my blog post and throughout this thread. So have many others.
I also responded to most of your "factual evidence" and your own admission that you posted this without bothering to research it is really all the proof anyone needs that your stance on it is uninformed.
Therefor, I'm all done talking about this with you because I see no reason to talk to someone who doesn't have any knowledge of the subject being debated.
Consider my gob in tact and your arguments blatantly disregarded from here on out.
An interesting look at EA's future strategy
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michaelleung: In other FUCK YOU EA news, I patched my copy of Bad Company 2 (on Steam) and I loaded up my latest singleplayer checkpoint and it promptly crashed to desktop. I found out that as a result of the latest patch which removes the Securom DRM from Steam the savegames are incompatible.
What. The. Fuck.

I think I gathered from another thread you usually crack your legit games in order to not have to keep the game CD on drive etc. (if it wasn't you I apologize). The thing is, right when I read that, I thought to myself I like to keep my games patched, and that's the problem with cracking DRM: you pretty much always have to trade your ability to update your game in exchange for cracking the bloody DRM, which is the reason I'm picking my games veeery carefully now.
Assassin's Creed 2? Settlers 7? C&C4? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick to other equally great games with less care for DRM. Hell, even Spores' DRM blew me away. I couldn't stand the idea of them controlling how many different computers I could install my game on, no matter how many. That's the wrong attitude from these companies.
Finally, more on-topic: there's plenty of good games out there. Call me cheap all you want, but I wouldn't pay the newly-released price if it drops to like 60% of that value in less than 6 months. I wouldn't pay for DLC if it comes for free months later in a Game of the Year version of the same game. So if I know there'll be expansions and downloadable content in the future, I wouldn't pay for the individual parts either (a dead giveaway in most major titles, say, Neverwinter Nights 2 for example, who couldn't foretell?) -- I'd rather pay for the full package, which costs much less. As I said, call me cheap all you want.
Post edited March 29, 2010 by RafaelLopez
in case no one mentioned this, "demos" that have to be paid for are already being released.

Dead Rising 2 Case Zero
Dead Space 2 Extraction (Though it came out free for people who ended up buying the game on the PS3, no idea about 360 or PC)
LittleBigPlanet 2 thing that showed how the move controller could be used (free to everyone who bought the game after release)
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Immoli: in case no one mentioned this, "demos" that have to be paid for are already being released.

Dead Rising 2 Case Zero
Dead Space 2 Extraction (Though it came out free for people who ended up buying the game on the PS3, no idea about 360 or PC)
LittleBigPlanet 2 thing that showed how the move controller could be used (free to everyone who bought the game after release)
PC did not get Dead Space Extraction at all. EA seems to be saying that it never will.