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I'm not posting for the games.

There is some potentially really interesting work at the intersection of population genetics and archaeology. I read this about one attempt:

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/11/who-were-the-99-of-ancient-rome/

Ignoring the obvious tie-ins to our current socio-political happenings in an article about ancient Rome, ancient DNA sequencing is becoming more possible (judging by the papers coming out using it) as sequencing costs go down and our methods to prevent further contamination improve. I imagine there are a lot of interesting questions that could be asked sequencing not only ancient human bones, but ancient flora and fauna. There are a lot of population genetics tools aimed at measuring population substructure, migration, population size changes, etc ..., that could be just as easily applied to ancient data (and be even more powerful when used in comparison to sequences from modern populations). Perhaps large scale re-sequencing of ancient DNA is still a bit away (I am not an expert in ancient DNA sequencing so I don't know its current state), but I think that could be cool for both population genetics and archeology.

As for creationists, the first citation I got for my first (and currently only) paper was from a creationist website, but hey Google scholar still counts it as a citation! So they were useful for something. :) When I brought this up at my committee meeting, one of the professors just laughed, "I long for the days when it were just the creationists citing my works, these days I get the white power people as well." He does a lot of work on modern human populations genetics. One should understand that in neither case, the creationists or the white power people, do they cite the papers in a context that makes sense or show understanding of those papers. But I suppose they like to put little reference numbers next to their most ... amusing lines of thought to make themselves feel better. Sort of like that XKCD ... http://xkcd.com/906/
Post edited December 03, 2011 by crazy_dave
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Cleidophoros: He would make a terrible archaeologist and his career would certainly be real short and he would spend some time in courthouses.
haha yeah thats true, but i hope i managed to describe what i mean with the sand blowing away thing, thats always great in every movie it is in, and i am sure such moments inspired some
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Cleidophoros: I don't know if Jones inspired anyone about archaeology but I think he might be undermining the hard won image of archaeology and archaeologists.
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Psyringe: I think Mr. Jones is so obviously over the top that there's little danger of that. :) There are series that had an effect on public opinion - Quincy definitely improved the image of pathologists, and CSI (somewhat paradoxically) made work harder for real CSI teams (because they are now confronted with tremendously overblown expectations). But these series tried to at least give their audience an illusion that the day-to-day work elements they include are somewhat grounded in reality. Indiana Jones never did that. It's more similar to James Bond: People are enjoying the stories, but 99% of them know that the life of a real secret agent is very different.

Ah, about Call to Power 2: Sorry, I somehow forgot that this wasn't a "free choice" giveaway. I already have both of the games from your list that I'm interested in, but I'm happy to have joined the discussion anyway. ;) No need to enter me in the draw though. :)
Yeah I know what you mean but you can't possibly know the shit I hear as an archaeologist. Also young minds are susceptible to be easily influenced by heroes. I know I was; I don't know why, certainly not Indy, but as a kid I have always wanted to a professor. And I actually will one day if I can finish this friggin phd. Maybe it's only me though.


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Cleidophoros: He would make a terrible archaeologist and his career would certainly be real short and he would spend some time in courthouses.
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karacho: haha yeah thats true, but i hope i managed to describe what i mean with the sand blowing away thing, thats always great in every movie it is in, and i am sure such moments inspired some
Yeah I know, I still remember the first time I laid my hands on a pottery shard I saw in a book before. I wasn't blowing sand of it, I was trying to get the mud off of it but it still counts.
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crazy_dave: So I'm not in it for the games, but there is some potentially really interesting work at the intersection of population genetics and archaeology. I read this about one attempt.

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/11/who-were-the-99-of-ancient-rome/

Ignoring the obvious tie-ins to our current socio-political happenings in an article about ancient Rome, ancient DNA sequencing is becoming more possible (judging by the papers coming out using it) as sequencing costs go down and our methods to prevent further contamination improve. I imagine there are a lot of interesting questions that could be asked sequencing not only ancient human bones, but ancient flora and fauna. There are a lot of population genetics tools aimed at measuring population substructure, migration, population size changes, etc ..., that could be just as easily applied to ancient data (and be even more powerful when used in comparison to sequences from modern populations). Perhaps large scale re-sequencing of ancient DNA is still a bit away (I am not an expert in ancient DNA sequencing so I don't know its current state), but I think that could be cool for both population genetics and archeology.

As for creationists, the first citation I got for my first (and currently only) paper was from a creationist website, but hey Google scholar still counts it as a citation! So they were useful for something. :) When I brought this up at my committee meeting, one of the professors just laughed, "I long for the days when it were just the creationists citing my works, these days I get the white power people as well." He does a lot of work on modern human populations genetics. One should understand that in neither case, the creationists or the white power people, do they cite the papers in a context that makes sense or show understanding of those papers. But I suppose they like to put little reference numbers next to their most ... amusing lines of thought to make themselves feel better. Sort of like that XKCD ... http://xkcd.com/906/
Perfect implementation. Archaeology is not only the study of pottery but it aims to enlighten our history as a whole. I am afraid I am not knowledgeable enough about DNA and sequences ( and I don't have time or the smarts to follow any papers other than those related to my phd these days) but this shows the potential of multidisciplinary studies. But as far I can follow these multidisciplinary studies lack something; the results are all good by themselves but in the big picture the researchers do need to take those results and pull meaningful implications out of them.

As for the creationists or white power people; the pseudoscientists, yeah they like to take tiny bits of your, spin it around a few times and use it to support something different. I was contacted by some guy on internet some months ago and we had long "talks" over time. He is a engineer graduate and after all this time he is pretty sure that life originated in Central Asia and that Atlantis is the tale of the lost civilization of Turkic people of Asia. He kept referring to some books and articles on history and archaeology, all written by other engineers/technicians/retired politicians/geologists.
My mother also did her PhD and Masters in classical archeology (the Cult of Cybele and the Etruscans respectively). Several of the NOVAs (science program on public broadcasting in the US) on archeology were a lot of fun - they did some ancestral reconstruction of ancient devices and monuments - raising the obelisk and the trebuchet were two of my favorites - and on decoding the Mayan written language which was really interesting. Instead of the intersection of population genetics and archeology, I guess the decoding of the Mayan language would be more of a three-way between cryptology, linguistics, and archeology. It was really interesting.
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Cleidophoros: Perfect implementation. Archaeology is not only the study of pottery but it aims to enlighten our history as a whole. I am afraid I am not knowledgeable enough about DNA and sequences ( and I don't have time or the smarts to follow any papers other than those related to my phd these days) but this shows the potential of multidisciplinary studies. But as far I can follow these multidisciplinary studies lack something; the results are all good by themselves but in the big picture the researchers do need to take those results and pull meaningful implications out of them.

As for the creationists or white power people; the pseudoscientists, yeah they like to take tiny bits of your, spin it around a few times and use it to support something different. I was contacted by some guy on internet some months ago and we had long "talks" over time. He is a engineer graduate and after all this time he is pretty sure that life originated in Central Asia and that Atlantis is the tale of the lost civilization of Turkic people of Asia. He kept referring to some books and articles on history and archaeology, all written by other engineers/technicians/retired politicians/geologists.
I hear you about keeping track of other fields - heck often enough I find it hard to even follow other sub-fields close to mine! But I agree some multi-disciplinary, collaborative work in that intersection has the potential to be really powerful and exciting. Maybe after my PhD ... :)

I try to be cheerful and bemused towards the pseudoscientists but sometimes it can be a bit frustrating, depressing, and actually kind of scary (especially racist types).
Post edited December 03, 2011 by crazy_dave
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crazy_dave: Maybe after my PhD ... :)
What is your study?
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crazy_dave: Maybe after my PhD ... :)
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Cleidophoros: What is your study?
Genetics (focusing on population genetics and molecular evolution).
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Cleidophoros: He would make a terrible archaeologist and his career would certainly be real short and he would spend some time in courthouses.
Indiana Jones denied tenure
Post edited December 03, 2011 by Drawlight
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Cleidophoros: He would make a terrible archaeologist and his career would certainly be real short and he would spend some time in courthouses.
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Drawlight: Indiana Jones denied tenure
:) that was good
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Cleidophoros: What is your study?
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crazy_dave: Genetics (focusing on population genetics and molecular evolution).
Oh you got the smarts. Good luck.


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Cleidophoros: He would make a terrible archaeologist and his career would certainly be real short and he would spend some time in courthouses.
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Drawlight: Indiana Jones denied tenure
I wonder if the position is still open..
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crazy_dave: Genetics (focusing on population genetics and molecular evolution).
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Cleidophoros: Oh you got the smarts. Good luck.
As ill deserving as I am of the compliment, I'm more than happy to take it. :P

Best of luck to yourself as well!

BTW, do you read PhD Comics? If not, it's an great source of procrastination and I'd say even catharsis while going for your PhD. While most of the characters are Engineering grad students, a lot of the humor is relevant to all grad students.
I used to be an Archaeological Field Technician in the field of Cultural Resource Management. Field Tech is about all one can do professionally in the States with a BA in Archaeology. I lived in hotels and traveled a lot through the south east US. Eventually I landed a full time job with a CRM firm. The travel was getting to be a bit much and I wanted to get married and set down some roots.

Much of my work in Archaeology revolved around surveys for potential sites in soon to be bulldozed land due to government funded construction (usually highway) projects. I loved digging, but often ended up on the transit and stadia survey team and dong data entry to create topo maps. The surveying opened up an interest in cartography and GIS, which in turn moved me to work on a graduate degree in Geography.

I miss the field work at times, but physically it is getting more difficult to do the work. While in Graduate School I created a comic strip and posted it to one of those free website builders back in 2000. It only ran for a bout a dozen strips and was really a niche strip. Here are a couple of the strips and two t-shirt ideas, one strip I revamped for the winter holidays in 2009.

http://trowler.deviantart.com/gallery/

If this is sufficient, I am interested in Patrician 1 and 2
Post edited December 05, 2011 by swaimiac
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crazy_dave: BTW, do you read PhD Comics? If not, it's an great source of procrastination and I'd say even catharsis while going for your PhD. While most of the characters are Engineering grad students, a lot of the humor is relevant to all grad students.
No I didn't know it, thank you.




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swaimiac: I used to be an Archaeological Field Technician in the field of Cultural Resource Management. Field Tech is about all one can do professionally in the States with a BA in Archaeology.
Different system it seems. I can guess what you do in the field but not sure about what you can't do.

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swaimiac: If this is sufficient, I am interested in Patrician 1 and 2
Sure thing, there isn't much interest anyway, if I had put giveaway in the title it would be much crowded in here I guess.
speaking of experimental archaeology, I remember watching a program a few years ago about an archaeologist who was digging up garbage sites, modern ones that is. As far as I can remember there where two theories tested. Firstly it was looking to see if the image presented in modern history fits with what was actually used, and secondly it was an environmental project to see what materials they found.

I remember they where expecting to find lots of early plastic artefacts, but were surprised that they hardly found any at all. What they did find was lots of paper products, most noteworthy phone catalogs and used diapers. it makes some sense when you think about it, as some plastics can decompose(?) without oxygen while paper can not.


(Anyway, not in the competition - I'l just leave you with the image of a mountain of 50 year old used diapers)
Post edited December 05, 2011 by amok
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amok: (Anyway, not in the competition - I'l just leave you with the image of a mountain of 50 year old used diapers)
For this YOU need to gift me a game...