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Posted November 29, 2011
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Vitek: "No, but at our police station we have fabulous donuts."
Thanks for that. I almost got tea all over my monitor.
Posted November 29, 2011
That's pretty much it.
In each case I have 1 descriptive word that I am NOT allowed to use.
Posted November 29, 2011
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Damnation: I'm sorry, but what in the hell? You first say that you completely agree that continueing the discussion about the possibility of multiple mafia is scummy and muddies the water, so you immediately decide it's for the better that you do just that? I do NOT follow the logic here.
Further, coupled with other arguments against you (including a meta one mentioned by nmillar in post 354), I'm beginning to find you very suspecious, Vitek

So, at the risk of seeming rushed, attempting to divert attention or misdirecting, I'm going to vote Vitek
I wanted to end the discussion with it. To show there can't be more scum teams. It was meant to be concluding post which will allow us again to focus on important things.
What are the other arguments? You mention nmillar's remark I play similary to Game 3. Does it meanyou agree I play so or you just take nmillar's word as granted. I don't see myself playing too much differently as scum or town. I palyed differently in G1 where I has no idead what's going on and in Game 4 but it got me NK'ed quickly so I decided to change it.

Also welcome to game Red_Baron.
That was some interesting reasoning over there. Why we should lynch baz? We can easily prove if he is jailkeeper (or at least blocker). We won't get his alignment this way but doyou think it's necessary to lynch PR when "evidences" against him come indirectly from other player guilt?
Posted November 29, 2011
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Vitek: I wanted to end the discussion with it. To show there can't be more scum teams. It was meant to be concluding post which will allow us again to focus on important things.
What are the other arguments? You mention nmillar's remark I play similary to Game 3. Does it meanyou agree I play so or you just take nmillar's word as granted. I don't see myself playing too much differently as scum or town. I palyed differently in G1 where I has no idead what's going on and in Game 4 but it got me NK'ed quickly so I decided to change it.
The other arguments are basically pointing out your lurking and some interesting points. But in the end, my main irk with you is that you play a lot like you did in mafia 3, which is odd as you usually have a much more scumhunting behaviour - of course, when you know who is mafia, what's the point in hunting for scum? :p

About the Angelo Cervi thing Rod just mentioned - mafia insane cop? Or possibly mafia paranoid cop? Neither of these roles make any sense to put on the mafia side. What would they gain? It doesn't really make sense for mafia to have a cop that returns scum only in his investigations, at all. It wouldn't even provide them with a convincing argument if they were trying to get a mislynch through - the cop would have to make his claim, then die, revealing his role and then town would be convinced. It's too much of a nonsensical role to provide anti-town with. On the other hand, giving it to town would shape the game quite a bit.
Posted November 29, 2011
I believe that, as with Baz, the player only has COP & doesn't (didn't) know about the qualifier.
This would make sense only of there is more thaqn 1 mafia faction.
Posted November 29, 2011
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Rodzaju: I believe that, as with Baz, the player only has COP & doesn't (didn't) know about the qualifier.
This would make sense only of there is more thaqn 1 mafia faction.
This takes me back to one thing QuadrAlien said in [shuffles his notes] #281 (I'll extrapolate a bit here): if you had information about Angelo the paranoid cop who doesn't know he's paranoid, and Walter the paranoid doc who doesn't know he's paranoid, then why on Earth would you out Walter who is useful to town and not bloody Angelo who is not only not useful to town, but outright dangerous?

Yes, I know you claim you do not know who the player wearing the mask of Angelo is, but you could have tried dragging him out in the open, if that was what you wanted to do. This is so blatantly nonsensical that my vote is going to stay right where it is.
Posted November 29, 2011
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5- Rodzaju - Robbeasy,Orryyrro,Nmillar,Bazilisek,Red Baron
1 - Vitek - Damnation
1 - Robbeasy - Rodzaju
1 - Orryrro - Notfrenchyet
1 - Notfrenchyet - Vitek

Not Voting:Twilightbard, Cruward_Darkeyes,Jefequeso,Sirprimalform

Rodzaju is closest to lynch at L-2

Offtopic: Speaking of Fabulous Donuts im really craving a Krispy Kreme right now
Post edited November 29, 2011 by ViolatorX
Posted November 29, 2011
Thanks for the welcome and to answer your question: It was an attempt at figuring out which side of the current two connected, yet one hunting the other as of now scenario. Hence why I clearly stated that the whole point of it was if Baz indeed had a risk of killing others, well as I am writing this is hits me that Rodzaju was the person who mentioned that as part the role. Damn (<- not supposed to be seen as a player name) that situation have gotten everything terribly convoluted.

Well this convolution is what made me change my vote (besides the fact that Rodzaju acts a lot stranger than Baz) and if the general favor is towards lynch of Rodzaju then that is the fastest way to solve this WIFOM mess and confirm some facts.

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bazilisek: This takes me back to one thing QuadrAlien said in [shuffles his notes] #281 -snip-
I had to re-read that post you refereed to a couple of times before I understood why you were reminded about it. :) But well I can only say I agree with you there and it further leads me to ponder how revealing a paranoid cop is a danger to town, as Rodzaju claimed the leaking of his info would be?

I am a wee bit sleepy so I apologize in advance this time if i made more odd spelling/missing words, like in my to previous post - But if a word confuses some of you then your welcome to ask.
Posted November 29, 2011
25 days of baking...it's gonna be a long month.

But, on to other business.

As far as my suspects, nmillar and Primal were both touting the multiple mafia strat, and Jefe's post at the beginning of the day had an amazingly detailed mention of Joe's death, that made me wonder what information he was pulling to get that. I'm not too concerned about Jefe, since the general feeling is that as the other Lover he'll be gone tonight anyway.

Then there's Baz, I've been avoiding this mainly because I've hit the point where I feel like I've already reached my conclusion and I'm going to end up twisting events to make my case, and that's making me step back and examine this more. I'm still very suspicious, but I'm willing to hold off on trying to make a case.

I am however, of a different mind about Rodzaju putting his information out there early. At first I was suspicious, but then I realized, if he's town, then to me it's a similar situation to Game 5's Miller...getting the information out eliminates the ability to falseclaim, and it makes roles that could be detrimental to the town a little weaker

At the end, I'm going to Vote nmillar Being one of the most vocal multiple mafia theorists, I feel that sprouting out such information only benefits the Mafia since it sets the town into a bit of a frenzy, and muddies the water to a great degree.
Posted November 29, 2011
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TwilightBard: Snip.
Hurrah! I was beginning to think people had forgotten about me!
Posted November 29, 2011
Well I see where the multiple mafia idea is coming from and the talk in flavor about the shattered hand also indicated something like it. But it is all based on speculation and goes without saying that people are just choosing which one to stick with. I don't really see a scummy act from nmillar on that part, nmillar being who he is (method of playing). But it would be nice indeed to grasp something firm in regards of the issue with our doc/druggy story.

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nmillar: Hurrah! I was beginning to think people had forgotten about me!
We'll never forget you, your name being so memorable as it is.
Posted November 30, 2011
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TwilightBard: 25 days of baking...it's gonna be a long month.

But, on to other business.

As far as my suspects, nmillar and Primal were both touting the multiple mafia strat, and Jefe's post at the beginning of the day had an amazingly detailed mention of Joe's death, that made me wonder what information he was pulling to get that. I'm not too concerned about Jefe, since the general feeling is that as the other Lover he'll be gone tonight anyway.

Then there's Baz, I've been avoiding this mainly because I've hit the point where I feel like I've already reached my conclusion and I'm going to end up twisting events to make my case, and that's making me step back and examine this more. I'm still very suspicious, but I'm willing to hold off on trying to make a case.

I am however, of a different mind about Rodzaju putting his information out there early. At first I was suspicious, but then I realized, if he's town, then to me it's a similar situation to Game 5's Miller...getting the information out eliminates the ability to falseclaim, and it makes roles that could be detrimental to the town a little weaker

At the end, I'm going to Vote nmillar Being one of the most vocal multiple mafia theorists, I feel that sprouting out such information only benefits the Mafia since it sets the town into a bit of a frenzy, and muddies the water to a great degree.
I appreciate the Miller reference cos it was me that game and I felt my role gave me no choice then - I was never going to survive, it was a logical decision for the benefit of Town. It's different with Rod - there was no real reason for him to do what he has done, there has been no provocation, and the claim and consequent backing up nonsensical at best. I remember as Miller it was decided to leave me alone, but the Vigilante took me out first night anyway..;o(

As for the Mafia formation debate - I wish I'd never pulled Baz up on his '3 in all probability' post now, cos it opened the way for others to re-open it....as has already been stated, speculation on it is a waste of time and effort, at least until Day 2 is over and we get some more information. Yes, Nmillar was the first to speculate (i think, that could be wrong, i haven't got time to really search back through yesterdays posts), but I think nearly everyone has stuck an oar in at some point, so its difficult to castigate any one person in particular, IMHO.



Oh my god, I just defended nmillar. Someone shoot me now!!....;o)

(^^ Joke metagame reference, please don't read anything into it!!!)
Posted November 30, 2011
I just remembered this pretty little morsel (#155)
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Rodzaju: I am NOT angelo.
You REALLY don't want his identity made public.
So, Rod: why don't we REALLY want to make Angelo's identity public when he's a paranoid/insane cop? What makes him so insanely valuable, pray tell, when the results of his investigations are worthless?
Posted November 30, 2011
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bazilisek: So, Rod: why don't we REALLY want to make Angelo's identity public when he's a paranoid/insane cop? What makes him so insanely valuable, pray tell, when the results of his investigations are worthless?
Woa, thats an interesting little tidbit. Had forgotten about that one. So the one which Rod suspects as scum is the one he claims we (not him - as he says "you") don't want public, That doesn't really make any sense, although its interesting as well what he replies to - meaning it being nmillar's comment about Rod being Angelo and how that sounds like a traditional Italian mafia name.

Well spotted. And makes me further convinced that we need clarity about that whole situation.
Posted November 30, 2011
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bazilisek: I just remembered this pretty little morsel (#155)
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Rodzaju: I am NOT angelo.
You REALLY don't want his identity made public.
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bazilisek: So, Rod: why don't we REALLY want to make Angelo's identity public when he's a paranoid/insane cop? What makes him so insanely valuable, pray tell, when the results of his investigations are worthless?
Woah, good spot! And this is one which Rod has since claimed that he doesn't know the player name of. So how could there have been any danger of his identity becoming public?
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