Posted February 18, 2014
triock
Can You Face Your Fears?
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From Slovakia
Fictionvision
Registered: Jul 2012
From United States
Posted February 18, 2014
Well, its not like this is the first time they have changed something to appease larger companies. Just another step to becoming Yet Another Steam Key Reseller.
SolidSnale
The Big Gog
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From Italy
Posted February 18, 2014
Enebias: This REALLY pisses me off! (cit. Duke Nukem)
I would understand a little difference in price due to variable VAT (for example, here in Italy is as "little" as 22% of the total price) to compensate potential losses, but I'm sure it will become shamelessly outrageous as Steam, where 1€ =1$, with -as others already stated- a direct increase in price of nearly the 35%.
Damn, it seem that today every shop is just becoming a Steam key vending machine! It has been really sad to watch the downfall of Humble: it was once a great distribution site, but now I really see no reason to buy from it again.
Sadly I know. In other countries taxes for business are extremely cheap compared to Italy. I think that in Romania are around 15%, here in Italy as you said are around 70%. What does it means? That if I gain 100€, I must pay at our government 70€, THEN with 30€ remaining I must pay workers and, finally, me. I would understand a little difference in price due to variable VAT (for example, here in Italy is as "little" as 22% of the total price) to compensate potential losses, but I'm sure it will become shamelessly outrageous as Steam, where 1€ =1$, with -as others already stated- a direct increase in price of nearly the 35%.
Damn, it seem that today every shop is just becoming a Steam key vending machine! It has been really sad to watch the downfall of Humble: it was once a great distribution site, but now I really see no reason to buy from it again.
Punished_Snake: You have around 350 € left, and you need to buy food, pay bills (and here there are TONS: excluding gas, power energy, water and telephone, we have a lot of taxes you must pay).
Enebias: Don't tell me about bills! Let's make the Italian situation public: do you know how much a small business enterprise (and with small I mean boss+2/10 workers) has to pay in taxes every year in my country? I'll tell you: more or less from 45 to 65% of earnings, not counting the other bills, like rents on warehouses. Some official reports say that a few people touched 72%. And to add insult to injury, our government doesn't care if your customer pays: as long as there is an invoice, you must pay the taxes, no matter if you still didn't see a cent. So many are forced to shut down, drowned in debts because they are forced to pay VAT on something they don't even own. I don't know if this is the same in the rest of the world, but here it hurts pretty bad. There are so many wrong things here, that "gaming" problems are last on the list.
But the question remains: why I must pay a game a lot of money? I mean, I think each region, even in EU territories, MUST have its own price tag. You can't compare situation like the one from Germany to the Italy one. Just you can't. Because in EU territories there are rich territories and poor ones.
From this side, GOG is simply the best, offering the same price worldwide (in fact buying from GOG is cheapest).
Check this:
https://www.humblebundle.com/store/p/crusaderkings2collection_storefront
80$=80€
It's absurd. Eu version costs 21€ more then US one.
Post edited February 18, 2014 by Punished_Snake
blotunga
GrumpyOldGamers.CyringOutMiserably
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From Other
Posted February 18, 2014
Punished_Snake: Sadly I know. In other countries taxes for business are extremely cheap compared to Italy. I think that in Romania are around 15%, here in Italy as you said are around 70%. What does it means? That if I gain 100€, I must pay at our government 70€, THEN with 30€ remaining I must pay workers and, finally, me.
There are so many wrong things here, that "gaming" problems are last on the list.
But the question remains: why I must pay a game a lot of money? I mean, I think each region, even in EU territories, MUST have its own price tag. You can't compare situation like the one from Germany to the Italy one. Just you can't. Because in EU territories there are rich territories and poor ones.
From this side, GOG is simply the best, offering the same price worldwide (in fact buying from GOG is cheapest).
Actually you're a bit wrong. Tax is on net income, so you have your 100 euros to pay your workers etc and then you pay 31.4% of your profits as tax. If you want to get dividends then you pay 20% of the remaining sum as tax. Still it's very far from 70%There are so many wrong things here, that "gaming" problems are last on the list.
But the question remains: why I must pay a game a lot of money? I mean, I think each region, even in EU territories, MUST have its own price tag. You can't compare situation like the one from Germany to the Italy one. Just you can't. Because in EU territories there are rich territories and poor ones.
From this side, GOG is simply the best, offering the same price worldwide (in fact buying from GOG is cheapest).
SolidSnale
The Big Gog
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From Italy
Posted February 18, 2014
Punished_Snake: Sadly I know. In other countries taxes for business are extremely cheap compared to Italy. I think that in Romania are around 15%, here in Italy as you said are around 70%. What does it means? That if I gain 100€, I must pay at our government 70€, THEN with 30€ remaining I must pay workers and, finally, me.
There are so many wrong things here, that "gaming" problems are last on the list.
But the question remains: why I must pay a game a lot of money? I mean, I think each region, even in EU territories, MUST have its own price tag. You can't compare situation like the one from Germany to the Italy one. Just you can't. Because in EU territories there are rich territories and poor ones.
From this side, GOG is simply the best, offering the same price worldwide (in fact buying from GOG is cheapest).
blotunga: Actually you're a bit wrong. Tax is on net income, so you have your 100 euros to pay your workers etc and then you pay 31.4% of your profits as tax. If you want to get dividends then you pay 20% of the remaining sum as tax. Still it's very far from 70% There are so many wrong things here, that "gaming" problems are last on the list.
But the question remains: why I must pay a game a lot of money? I mean, I think each region, even in EU territories, MUST have its own price tag. You can't compare situation like the one from Germany to the Italy one. Just you can't. Because in EU territories there are rich territories and poor ones.
From this side, GOG is simply the best, offering the same price worldwide (in fact buying from GOG is cheapest).
Mr.Caine
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From Lithuania
Posted February 18, 2014
how many of them do AAA and hottest indie games bundles tho.? even if the price is dirt cheap I'm not paying for a bundle of games so obscure they don't even have a single review on metacritic.
Post edited February 18, 2014 by Mr.Caine
blotunga
GrumpyOldGamers.CyringOutMiserably
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From Other
Posted February 18, 2014
Enebias
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From Italy
Posted February 18, 2014
Punished_Snake: But the question remains: why I must pay a game a lot of money? I mean, I think each region, even in EU territories, MUST have its own price tag. You can't compare situation like the one from Germany to the Italy one. Just you can't. Because in EU territories there are rich territories and poor ones.
You're right. But as longs as laws allow an unjust discrimination in prices, there's no reason for them to stop gaining more profits. Sellers and end-users are not fighting on even footing.Oriza-Triznyák
garbage features like achievements.
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From Other
Posted February 18, 2014
Punished_Snake: I think HumbleBundle has lost its importance.
Not too much time ago when a bundle was released was an event: usually it included the best indie games you can find at the moment.
Now they simply throw away all the games they can, often repeating other bundle (like the Overlord one from Indiegala).
And finally this.
99% of the people buy their bundles for the Steam keys not for the DRM free copies .Not too much time ago when a bundle was released was an event: usually it included the best indie games you can find at the moment.
Now they simply throw away all the games they can, often repeating other bundle (like the Overlord one from Indiegala).
And finally this.
SolidSnale
The Big Gog
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From Italy
Posted February 18, 2014
I can understand it for retail games, but NOT for digital one.
blotunga
GrumpyOldGamers.CyringOutMiserably
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From Other
Posted February 18, 2014
Well, retail games are far more expensive in my country then digital ones and also double the US price. This is why I was a happy pirate for so many years. Not to mention that you couldn't get most of the games legally anyway.
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
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From Vatican City
Posted February 18, 2014
Pheace: I wonder if that's still true actually, in the last decade the standard VAT rate has gone up considerably in Cyprus. However, the 0% tax rate (Zero Rate) exemption seems to be for these below among other things:
* Exports
* Commissions received from abroad for
exportation of goods
Strictly speaking, isn't that what GOG is doing? That would mean they pay no VAT at all.
Not sure I can follow you - how exactly does GOG's line of business fall under "Exports"/ "Exportation of Goods"? What exactly are they exporting from Cyprus to other countries?* Exports
* Commissions received from abroad for
exportation of goods
Strictly speaking, isn't that what GOG is doing? That would mean they pay no VAT at all.
my name is catte
i touch your foods
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From United Kingdom
Posted February 18, 2014
paul1290: Now if you wanted to be really mean and pedantic about it, what GOG does is what some people like to call "tax avoidance".
Technically it's not illegal, but apparently it is frowned upon by some groups.
AFAIK, they pay VAT on sales in the EU and so on so they just make more or less money from each sale depending on where the customer is. Maybe that wasn't what you were referring to though? Technically it's not illegal, but apparently it is frowned upon by some groups.
Pheace: I wonder if that's still true actually, in the last decade the standard VAT rate has gone up considerably in Cyprus. However, the 0% tax rate (Zero Rate) exemption seems to be for these below among other things:
* Exports
* Commissions received from abroad for
exportation of goods
Strictly speaking, isn't that what GOG is doing? That would mean they pay no VAT at all.
Pretty sure VAT (on each game sale) is paid according to the location of the customer.* Exports
* Commissions received from abroad for
exportation of goods
Strictly speaking, isn't that what GOG is doing? That would mean they pay no VAT at all.
Post edited February 18, 2014 by SirPrimalform
iippo
Slave of economy
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From Finland
Posted February 18, 2014
iippo: Well, HB certainly isnt the only place selling games and bundles at "affordable prices"...so if they want to shoot themselves into knee, its really their choice. Plenty of other sites willing to plug that cap.
Mr.Caine: how many of them do AAA and hottest indie games bundles tho.? even if the price is dirt cheap I'm not paying for a bundle of games so obscure they don't even have a single review on metacritic. Anyways, as there are plenty of great AAA games for the past few years yet unplayed, i am in no hurry with the newest games - or actually even the newest indie games actually.
Not sure how closely youre following bundles site, but atleast IndieGala and Bundlestars have pretty much all the time some great games of just ridiculous prices.
I suppose HB's strategy is to surf with their reknown and trust that people will buy from them regardless 1usd=1eur.
JaqFrost
Registered: Nov 2011
From Vietnam
Posted February 18, 2014
SirPrimalform: Pretty sure VAT (on each game sale) is paid according to the location of the customer.
How is that determined though? Is it based on where your IP is, where your credit card is issued or whatever billing address you have for it? I cannot buy from Steam because all of those things are in three different countries. They won't accept my details in order to purchase anything.