Posted February 14, 2011

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Tantrix
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Registered: Feb 2010
From Germany
Posted February 20, 2011
New protests are comming up. One Mullah seems to be killed:
http://wieni2010.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/1-esfand-proteste-im-iran-gehen-weiter
http://wieni2010.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/1-esfand-proteste-im-iran-gehen-weiter

stonebro
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Registered: Sep 2008
From Netherlands
Posted February 20, 2011
I doubt the Egypt protests are going to change much after the dust has settled. Same thing with this.

Petrell
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Registered: Oct 2008
From Finland
Posted February 20, 2011

It's good that Mubarak has gone, but I worry that his legacy will be the collapse of all government in the middle east. We need this process to slow down, if every country gets a new governement at the same time, all likely to be inexperienced at dealing with diplomatic issues while needing to "prove" themselves to their people, there is a real risk that someone's going to start a war.
I'm afraid I see any further protests from now on as a bad thing, regardless of the regime they're trying to topple.
Oh and egyptians should definately continue protests at least until the emergency law is lifted as with that in place it's impossible for political parties to form or function legally. The military's plan to extend it for 6 month is simply unacceptable and stifles any hope of political reform. Also Mubarak's goverment should quickly be replaced by civilian caretaker goverment and military should move to back stage after caretaker goverment is in place and leave the decision making to them. If current situation persists there's high change that protesters will turn against the army, especially if army forcibly tries to put an end to protests.
Post edited February 20, 2011 by Petrell

Mnemon
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Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted February 20, 2011

It took 30 years before the Egyptian population started these demonstrations. Gaddafi has been untouched, in Libya, for 41 years now. Rooting for a stop of these revolts will shut down these populations for a good long time again. If we want stability and fair, more democratic societies in the region the West would support this; assist the process / transition. You know - this is how you DO bring democracy to a country assist the popular (and non-secular!) movements rather than "liberating" (i.e. invading) a country and attempt a top-down approach.
Of course - that's not what's really wanted on the West's "political elite" agenda. Democracies, especially based on a popular movements like these, are unpredictable; see South American examples. They are much harder to control and influence, and will very likely focus on their own local interests first.

Zeewolf
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Registered: Nov 2008
From Norway
Posted February 20, 2011
I'm happy for the people of Egypt, and hope that the result of all this is more personal freedom and democratic elements in the Egyptian society. But on the other hand Mubarak was not nearly as bad as the regimes in Iran and Libya. And that's probably why the rebels won; the Egyptian government did not want a bloodbath, and they realized that it was in the country's best interest that they stepped down.
The regimes in Iran and Libya have shown many times that they don't care very much about the populations best interest, and – as they are yet again proving – they are much more likely to take drastic actions to remain in power. They will not go peacefully just because the people wants freedom. As long as their regimes control the army and police force, they will strike down on any demonstrations with deadly force.
The regimes in Iran and Libya have shown many times that they don't care very much about the populations best interest, and – as they are yet again proving – they are much more likely to take drastic actions to remain in power. They will not go peacefully just because the people wants freedom. As long as their regimes control the army and police force, they will strike down on any demonstrations with deadly force.
Post edited February 20, 2011 by Zeewolf