And I don't want a Windows installer to haphazardly create document settings folders in different languages, to put a lot of garbage in a bloated registry or install everything under C:\, which is sometimes an SSD meant exclusively for the OS. I also don't like generally broken uninstallers, which are note able to pick some dead links up and delete them, because I moved the folder once.

You can't criticize Linux for lazy programmers. Asking for an installation path is possible.

Working stand-by settings, Windows updates, which don't kill the master boot record, taking screenshots.

In a Linux distribution, I press print and it asks me to save a screenshot. In Windows I have to press print and open the abominable MS Paint.


Bottom line: The Linux and Windows families both include decent operating systems, which are somewhat ruined by incompetent companies. Both have their sets of working and dysfunctional software. In both systems I'm busy sorting the trash out, which others left.

We have wine, dosbox and maybe in the near future native apps. That sounds for me even more complex task than what autopackage was trying to achieve.
That's an good example were linux fails. Screenshots are NOT considered a OS base functionallity (you know separation beween kernel, windowmanager etc)... I had that problem and was heavily annoyed that I had to install GNOME libs (several hundred MBs) to make a screenshot app running ... just for making a screenshot (suse 10. something).

Please define what "Linux ecosystem" means. Linux isn't an operating system: it's a kernel on which to build an OS.

How is this Windows fault? The same thing can happen on Linux as well if the developer is stupid and doesn't follow the platform guidelines.

This just tells me that you have no idea what the registry does and what are the advantages and tradeoffs between it and config files.

Blame the person doing the implementation.

I'll try and move something installed via aptitude and see if it can uninstall it after that, I admit that I haven't tested that and am genuinely curios. If you're talking about Mac OS X, you'd be surprised how much stuff gets left behind after you "uninstall" some apps.

Where did I do that?

Does it work on another OS? Then please update your chipset drivers, you might be surprised.

Did this actually happen to you, or is it that lovely myth perpetuated since eons ago?

I see you haven't met the Windows Snipping Tool. Press start, type snip and press enter, it'll do loads more than the print-screen on linux will.

And where did I say otherwise?

Oh, the bearded one...
* Linux ecosystem is: what people mean if they say linux, the amount of linux distro variants. They hoping for a windows/mac like platform), but as this variants are higly incompatile (among each other and themselves) it's ecosystem.
* Linux is not a OS, neither is a Linux Distro a OS. A distro is the entanglement of applications with a OS. (You know, the stuff MS got blamed for by the EU judges "bundeling IE+Windows")

That's just your opinion, just like mine differs from it :)

Hoping: that's all. Ubuntu is not Debian, SUSE is not Mint, etc. etc. They are different ecosystems, but they are all Linux-based OSes. So I ask again: what is a "Linux ecosystem"?

The fuzzy thing people (not FOSS people or programmer) mean if they say linux.
The amount of linux distros.

And right, you could split them further in individual ecosystem (like you do)... but why should be these even further fractioned micro-groups of any intresst for gog.com, if even the support for the complete ecosystem is debatable economical?

This is just arguing for the sake of arguing really.

I haven't used SUSE. Well, it's a window manager base functionality and Gnome has it. The GUI is part of the OS. Also Windows doesn't allow a separation of its shell and using another GUI is risky and cumbersome.



In the former quote you said Linux wouldn't be taken seriously as long as bash scripts which don't ask for paths and so forth would be around.

1. Stand-By mode worked but stopped working after several Windows updates. Remember how MS recently broke EU law and stopped asking for different browser installations? They break other functionalities regularly, too. In their eyes, we are sheep which has to buy the newest OS.

2. The first bundle of Windows updates breaks my MBR after each new installation.

3. No, haven't met that snipping tool. We could argue about different software forever, so I'll stop right here.

4. I agree, it's about implementation issues.

No, that's arguing about the feasibility of a "Linux ecosystem": every Linux-based OS has its own rules, technologies and installation guidelines as for the GUI, the kernel modules, whatever. As I see it, there is no chance that a "Linux ecosystem" will ever be considered a proper environment for PC gaming.

The fact that Valve decided to port Steam on Ubuntu (a shit of a "product" that's the worst thing happened to the Linux and the FOSS community during the last years, as far as my opinion goes) has nothing to do with building a PC gaming on Linux. They just want the OS for their Steam Box, and that's all (Gabe Newell confirmed it recently).

When did we get to, Cross platform installers are hard screw Linux? I thought we were looking for some way to make games run on it, not pursue some utopian idea of how to get one installer to work for everyone. Baby steps.

This is the most sensible thing I read in a few pages of this thread

Nobody should expect universal support, just take it slowly. You can target one system and slowly iron out bugs and problems that prevent it from running on other systems. The open source community works way differently than Microsoft or Apple, you give us a product and we get it to run on our machines. Just make sure the product runs on Ubuntu and we will do the rest.

Well, I suppose a "proper environment" isn't terribly important, as it hasn't stood in my way of playing dozens of games in Linux, many of them natively. It certainly hasn't diminished my interest in seeing more games made available for Linux, and games that are available for Linux being available for download to me when I purchase them being an important factor in where I download them.

Reddit found out about the Linux situation on GOG. Fun times.