JKHSawyer said:

"If you show people a clip of Rambo gunning a bunch of Russians down, than show them a clip of a rape scene, most people will be shocked and possibly highly offended much more by the rape scene. It's simply seen as a much more disgusting act of violence. I feel that's because everywhere you look, you see a lot more violence in the world involving the killing of others, and movies, television and video games portray it a lot more than rape or other violent sexual acts."


Which I find puzzling, to me it would be much worse to see a bunch of people shot down. Maybe I just don't play enough killing games?
Are videogamers so desensitized to killing? Why is this kind of hypocrisy so much more prevalent among videogamers than among book readers or moviegoers?

Rambo isn't murdering people, he's neutralizing them or perhaps even liberating them.
Rape on the other hand is a crime that violates its victims, which is bad.
it's a controversial stance, but I'll take it.. rape is bad!

Hmm. Machine gunning commies is fine, as they are not actually being physically violated and forced to do something against their will.

Obviously they are because prior to the creation of video games there is absolutely no evidence of people being desensitized to violence. Shit no! Before video games people never went to sporting events to see people kill each other. Before video games people never gathered around hooting and hollering to watch people get burned alive, beheaded, stoned, hung, or crucified. Before video games gratuitous violence was never trivialized and used as entertainment.

Smell that?
It's sarcasm! :D

Nice tryE, tiny, but before videogames people also used rape as a common weapon of war, as punishment and commonplace in prisons. So your point falls flat.

Well, rape is basically torture, which most people would also see as more heinous than killing people.

For some reason, I tolerate murder fantasies (the light "aargh i could kill that person") more than rape fantasies (is there a light "aargh i would fuck that person against their will"). Maybe for reasons similar to being okay with looney tunes characters being blown away.

I think the fantasy is quite different. I can get the "wish to kill someone against their will" thing. I can get the "wish that person would make love with me". But the "wish having sex with that person while they wouldn't want it at all" is a fantasy that I don't get. The very point of it seems a particularly fucked up take on sexuality.

And I suppose the thrill is different too. I expect another emotion, more superficial, and more distanciable, when it's an evil grin about a virtual "boom his car explodes" than when it's a hard-on on a virtual rape scene. The connexion to it seems of a different nature.

I also expect the kiss kiss band bang fantasy to be quite widespread amongst humans, and the "forced sexual intercourse" one to be more specific to a minority of fucktards.

Something like that, behind my double standards, I'd say.

I don't really see the analogy. The first example is an example of killing in a war, which people find less disturbing than actual senseless murder for no reason so if you were to show them a video of a gory murder without any context or reason they would react quite differently than how they react to a rambo scene.

This kind of question comes down to if you value life (survival in its raw form) or pleasure (or perhaps more directly, avoidance of displeasure).

I for one would rather die than being traumatized by something that will leave me marked for the rest of my life and then trying to cope with it. It's just who I am, maybe I was spoiled when I grew up (quite relative but still) and I never learned really well that pain and suffering is a part of life and I only view survival as a means to an end, not that life has intrinsic value.

I wasn't addressing that point, hence the part of his posts I actually put in my reply.

You can apologize to me any time you want. :D

Showing it is not the same as commiting it.
And also civilizations went to great lengths to approve commiting attrocities upon other civilizations, making it legal and all that, so it all depends on who gets raped and murdered.
Come to think of it murdering enemies is glorified in most cultures so that says a lot in what sort of world were living in.

I don't think there's a single person on this planet that would want to be severely traumatized by violence and rape. I believe that the question of valuing pleasure or life is probably the very last thing traumatized people think about.

I don't know why but a rape scene bothers me a lot more than a murder scene. And I put torture between the two. That's in all media from books to films to games (I've never encountered rape in games).

Maybe it is because I believe only sociopaths and psychopaths can be rapist. Perfectly normal people have committed murders and light torture.

Yep. Using force for making people not do something they want to do (such as breathing) is way better than making them do something they don't want to do. Because... I can't be arsed to find a reason, so let's leave it at because you say so.

Well the UFC is still as barbaric as what the Roman's used to do in the Colosseum so you have a valid point. :)