okay okay...
THIS is what makes you disappointed in and ashamed to be human?

Seriously?

Wonder whether he really was killed yesterday. He is dead but the chance is that he was killed/died from other reasons some time ago and now it was made official.

Nobody had access to the body... They basically want us to take their word for it and believe that he died in that raid.

Which might be true but I never trust politicians.

That's all I could come up with too, but I was hoping our government could at least pretend to be doing something noble...instead, its all about greed.

The voices in this thread, yes, seriously. The overall happiness of what perceives itself as an advanced and higher civilization in a mans death. Ages of philosophy, studies of humanity, and we're still just animals, taking joy in earthly vengeance bases justice. Go light a bonfire, and make a toast, for the witch is dead if that makes You happy, but don't ridicule my feelings just because You don't share them.

Well, the lack of evidence and the "hush hush" way in which it all happened is a different story. I don't see a reason to take anyones word for it.

The only reason why countries are interested in the Middle East is to protect interests in oil and other valuable mineral resources. This is the case with the Gulf War, Iraq, conflict in the 1960s...etc. It's a neverending powerplay over there and leadership in one country can affect other countries. E.g. if Saudi Arabia get concerned about neighbouring countries, then they'll let others know about it, because surrounding countries can pose potential threats to them.

If America/Britain didn't stick their noses into the Middle East, there would be no one to negotiate with to transport oil from over there. Also, mineral deposits of other valuable materials means the region has future potential to provide lots of materialsfor electronics, arms etc to developed/developing world. These are the realities, unfortunately.

You are being silly. There are many more important things than this thread to worry about. Comments in this thread should not have any impact whatsoever on your perception of the human race.

Furthermore:
If we are just animals by your definition then we can do no wrong. As animals are ruled not by morality but by laws of nature anything they do is right.
Are you suggesting that whatever we do is right?

Hey, I for one believe we ARE just glorified animals so yeah, anything we do is right :D
That's not true, by the way, animals too do things they know are wrong for them to do - not out of instinct, but out of decision. On more primitive level, sure, but that doesn't make it any less valid.

And then i turned on the telly, and saw other people, who made similar comments as to some that can be found here. Surely, it's a bit bigger then.

The thing is, we are not animals, or at least, trying not to be ones. I'm suggesting that for a species taking pride in it's humanity, we fail at understanding it's basic concepts. How dare we say we value life, and then we're on a virge of throwing a parade when we kill a man?
See, for me, a man who kills a murderer [for example], himself becomes one. And he's not a hero to be glorified, he's the shameful executioner, who's doing what had to be done, because we didn't find find a better solution. Perhaps the mans death was inevitable, and perhaps it was even the only solution, but i see no reason to rejoice. The cheerfulness over Osama's death in it's roots is the same as the one we've seen after Saddam's execution, or Ted Bundy's. You find that civilized? While understandable, for me, it's the basic instincts taking over. The lesser evil is still evil, and i'm ashamed so many people see it as the best thing that ever happened.
So maybe i'm silly in Your eyes, oh well.

Agreed. To take effect immediately!

Errr, yeah, pretty much sums up my feelings, well except I have lost my faith in humanity way ago.

I am not talking about instinct here only.

Animals do make wrong things. They make mistakes. But they don't do immoral things as whatever they do is just part of their nature.
So a chimp banging a alpha male's girl knows that he is doing a potentially dangerous thing. Yet it is not a morally wrong thing to do. He does what he does because it is his nature.

Same goes for bats who share their food with starving neighbor.

If one considers us, human race to be nothing but animals then that person should not worry about people being murdered, about someone saying that is good that some other animal died.
Anything a human does is then completely alright thing to do.
You said we are animals in your previous post....

Anything you said is irrelevant as I was never discussing with you whether we humans are naive about our superiority or is it okay to be cheering cause a bloke got killed.

My first reaction to you was you being disappointed by few posters who cheered like it means there is nothing wrong with us besides that or it was the final straw.

It is such a minor minor thing that it should not affect your judgment of the race at all.

Then you used argument that we humans are animals. I heard it before and it is as silly as always. said already why.

Headline should read "Bin Laden just became more powerful than you can possibly imagine".

Seriously though, the USA created this bogeyman, (In many more ways than one) and now they've disposed of him, without trial.

It makes for good publicity, but nothing has changed, and at worst we'll see a very unpleasant reaction from some of the less civilized malcontents out there.

Also, we're going to need another bogeyman... Americans gotta be scared of someone, or the very fabric of their society and economy will disintegrate. Applicants line up on the left!

So, do we get born with morality or do we obtain it? I'd say the latter. It's just a glorified value ladder, and every creature with sufficient social interactions has one.

Humanity vastly underrates animals.

If we were born with it then it would make us just animals.

it is obtained. Obtained by watching history, analyzing mistakes, predicting how future develops, analyzing other feelings and placing yourself in others shoes.

No animal, whether dolphin, dog, chimp or raven do that. their decisions come from basic laws of nature.
They might reach our current level as we did once. Nevertheless it does not make argument about us being "just animals" correct one as it excuses anything bad we had ever done as well as anything good we did.

If you want to truly be disgusted, go to Openbook and type in "sand". God damn racists ruining the world.

"Ages of philosophy, studies of humanity, and we're still just animals, taking joy in earthly vengeance bases justice. "
No metaphors at school? Sorry, losing patience here. What i've meant was, that despite all our knowledge, and all the effort we made, many of us, still don't seem "humanely". See, that's why i made the metaphor.

I used the comments here as an example. There was a bigger picture. Sorry if i didn't made it obviou.s. I'll use pictograms next time. Though i would've hoped that this place would be a tad different from the average. That's what i've meant.
So, i'm sorry i've confused You. Cheers. ;)



Oh, i'm a sucker for that. I have this what-you-call-it that recharges my faith in humanity every now and then.;)

Actually using pictograms would be quite impressive if I might say so
(I do understand your silly rude metaphor here about my intelligence btw.)

The metaphor of yours was a bit lacking and it is conflicting with what you are trying to convey.

I never disagreed with you or targeted your views. Don't need to be so defensive about yourself.
I just wanted to point an extremely annoying flaw (to me of course) in your response to my question.