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Tulivu: You're right I have no video evidence of him admitting to mass murder. If only US forces had to fight through armed militia to get to him then I might have an argument.
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Fenixp: That is not the point. First of all, Americans were attacking, Taliban and Al-Qaeda defending. I'm not talking about agenda or anything, that is a statement based on what happened. Of course they fought back, what the heck did you expect them to do against armed aggression?

Second of all, every human being deserves a fair trial before being sentenced. What happened there was an assassination. I do not, for one, want to live in a world where a person can get killed with no trial and no consequences - and that applies to the variety of wars US is going for as well.

Edit: One blurry video is hardly any kind of evidence now is it? It could have been forged so easily - and whoever did it would surely find it convenient that americans attacked Al-Qaeda, don't you think?
Just to play devils advocate here for a second...what are your opinions on the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich? Do you feel he should have had a trial? Or were the Czech agents justified in their assassination of him?
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Krypsyn: ...
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Tulivu: ...
Very well, I'm sorry, I got carried away, the internets and always having to be right... I still think, however, that getting so happy about a death of a person, any person, is just plain sick. I'm not telling anyone to be sad either, but he was a human and it was an eye for an eye solution.
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Tulivu: ...
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Fenixp: Very well, I'm sorry, I got carried away, the internets and always having to be right... I still think, however, that getting so happy about a death of a person, any person, is just plain sick. I'm not telling anyone to be sad either, but he was a human and it was an eye for an eye solution.
I can appreciate that. When I ask myself, "WWJD?" I have to do a double take, myself.
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Wraith: Just to play devils advocate here for a second...what are your opinions on the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich? Do you feel he should have had a trial? Or were the Czech agents justified in their assassination of him?
Eye for an eye and two Czech towns got burned down, slaughter camps were built and many lifes were sacrificed. Yes, I do think the assassination was a mistake.
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Krypsyn: It was much more than one blurry video. He sent out several tapes over the years, not just the one taking credit for September 11, instigating violence towards Israel and the U.S. (heck, against pretty much all Christians and Jews, really). This tapes were vetted not by Western media outlets, but by the outlet they were delivered to in Qatar (Al Jazeera maybe, I really can't remember). Neither he nor ANY of his family ever tried to even attempt to dissuade anyone that he was the mastermind behind the World Trade Center attack OR that he was the person on any of the subsequent attacks. No, sorry, he was guilty, he admitted as much several times over.
We obviously didn't listen to the same tapes, I remember clearly Ben Laden rejoicing about 9/11, yes, but never I heard him saying "I'm the one who planned everything". And if I'm wrong, if he said he was guilty, why the FBI own page about him never credited him with that ?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

The only thing a trial would do is cost the American taxpayer money and possibly drag the U.S.'s name through the mud. These are two things that I have been getting a bit tired of lately (even if we do deserve the latter for some of our past actions, it gets old). So... yeah... I am firmly in the 'face-shoot the fucker' camp.
Excuse me? You're really saying that organizing a trial for Ben Laden would have costed money to the taxpayer? And the Iraq war? The Afghan war? The operations in Lybia? Not the taxpayer money? Wow. Just. Wow.

Drag the US name through the mud? Well, when one makes mistakes, that's generally what happens, heh. Don't worry, my country has its own lot of skeletons in the closet (especially in our former colonies), so I feel perfectly entitled to speak.

What you propose is basically "Let's rejoice, party over Ben Laden's dead corpse and forget everything else". I do not find that appropriate.
The thing is right, this wasn't just about Al-Q-I can't spell it because I suck- this was about dissuading other countries too. Think about it, what killing Osama actually did was send a message to the rest of the world, if you fuck with innocent lives, or America, you will die. No matter how long it takes.
With the current state of affairs in the middle east this message needed to be reinforced, there's a lot of rioting and protests for freedoms going on at the moment Nato is already involved in Libya, with the coalition still in Afghanistan and Iraq, the problem is, Our forces (American,British, Polish, Australian and anybody else in the coalition) are too spread to fight on every front which is why messages like this need to be sent however unfair or undemocratic they may seem.
Fantastic news. I for one hope that this will have ripples in terrorist cells that they are not immune that the free people of the world will stand p to the evil that they cause.
To those saying Bin Laden should have had a fair trial:

Honestly, how would that even be possible? It wouldn't be a fair trial. It is impossible to give any sort of known terrorist or dictator responsible for such high profile crimes a "fair trial" because pretty much everyone knows what they did. The only way we could have given him a fair trial is if we rounded up a bunch of people that have been living under rocks without TV for the last decade and had them run the trial. If you are honestly trying to argue that Osama Bin Laden is a harmless man that should have a chance to prove his innocence then, well, where have you been for the last 20 years?

Trying to give him a fair trial just isn't really possible. Saying that is insinuating that there is a chance that he WASN'T responsible for creating one of the most notorious terrorist organizations in the modern world and that he actually has something to say in his defense about how he is just a misunderstood guy. Don't kid yourselves, giving Bin Laden a trial would have just been a big scripted show like what you see in reality TV.
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Raven28256: snip
It's not the problem. Having a trial for Ben Laden would have proved that "we" are more civilized, thus more respectable than those terrorists who kill without distinction. It's a matter about Humanity vs Inhumanity.

And don't tell me organizing such a trial would have been impossible. The trial of the nazi in Nuremberg happened, and historians have prouved that the "free world leaders" (like Churchill) were aware of the concentration camps long before the US and russian troops freed them.
Best news i ever woke up to. Good riddance of bad filth. Fair trail? The statement sais the mission was to apprehend Bin Laden, but complications led to him being shot. I see no reason to speculate unless more evidence of something fishy comes to light.

@Fenixp

I'll celebrate the shit out of today. :o
I have to go see if there are any more light beers in the fridge. :D
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Voight-Kampff: @Fenixp

I'll celebrate the shit out of today. :o
I have to go see if there are any more light beers in the fridge. :D
Oh yes, celebrating death, trolling people with their independent opinions ... Nice world we live in eh?
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Voight-Kampff: @Fenixp

I'll celebrate the shit out of today. :o
I have to go see if there are any more light beers in the fridge. :D
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Fenixp: Oh yes, celebrating death, trolling people with their independent opinions ... Nice world we live in eh?
Indeed it is. :)
Way to go Nobel Peace Prize winner Obama!

Also, that calls for a special Call of Duty DLC!
Good to hear!

Not so great...type in "sand" on Openbook and you'll get a very unpleasant picture.
I honestly couldn't care less.
It took a decade to kill one man, all hail the glorious victors?
Will this solve all the worlds problems?
No, it won't even stop the terrorists.. if anything, it'll just piss them off more.
Violence begets violence.
At least if they had captured him they could have shown some moral superiority.
It might even send the message to the terrorists that they'll be hunted down and killed anyway, so why not blow themselves up and take the enemy with them?

So whoo, this totally made my year.