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Pax11: I should have made it more clear that I understand why it would be unethical to give away individual games from HB and Indie Royale if one agrees not to do so at the time of purchase. I was referring more to other sites, including this pack specifically.
I think the best way to support HB and IR when people give away their games is to simply decline the offer. If you want the games, buy the bundle. To take a moral stand for companies that they don't even take themselves

"Groupees and Indie Gala so far do not ask this of you, so it is not in my right to demand it either, just as much as I respect HB and IR I also respect Groupees and IG for their choice. So even if I do not like it, and wish it did not happen here, I do hold my tongue."

seems a bit over-the-top, even if you only spend mental energy on it. Maybe they don't ask it because they don't care if people give away keys, so you don't have to expend the energy to "not like it, and wish it did not happen here."

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amok: Ah, well, not sure what to say... I personally do not like it and think it is wrong, but I respect IG and Grouppes enought to not make a case out of it when I see it.... it is really all I can say... Not sure what the question is about then. Because I do not like it, and it is a form of piracy (but a much more dishonest one, in my opinion) which is rampant, then I will point it out when I can (HB and IR giveaways). All it is costing me is rep-points really, which is of no value :)

But at least I have a very clear conscience and I feel I am not going on against on my own personal convictions (even though people yell at me a lot for it). What was the saying? "Stand firm for your principles, even if you stand alone".
Just to clear up, since you say you didn't understand the question:

Why do you dislike someone giving away a game here if the company from whom they purchased it doesn't care (Groupees and Indie Gala, for instance)? Doesn't that take a lot of your own mental energy unnecessarily?

In truth, I suppose you answered that, since you seem to consider it piracy. I see it as gifting a paid-for extraneous item. To make it clear, I have never done this nor would I unless the key were for a game I already paid for in another venue. In other words, it would have to be an extra copy, not just something I received in a bundle that I didn't like.

I guess we simply view it differently, and I was simply curious why you would spend mental energy on something that even Groupees and Indie Gala haven't expended energy on. I doubt it would take much time and resources to type up a EULA or buyer agreement much like HB and IR have if they wanted to do so.

Pax
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amok: Ah, well, not sure what to say... I personally do not like it and think it is wrong, but I respect IG and Grouppes enought to not make a case out of it when I see it.... it is really all I can say... Not sure what the question is about then. Because I do not like it, and it is a form of piracy (but a much more dishonest one, in my opinion) which is rampant, then I will point it out when I can (HB and IR giveaways). All it is costing me is rep-points really, which is of no value :)

But at least I have a very clear conscience and I feel I am not going on against on my own personal convictions (even though people yell at me a lot for it). What was the saying? "Stand firm for your principles, even if you stand alone".
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Pax11: Just to clear up, since you say you didn't understand the question:

Why do you dislike someone giving away a game here if the company from whom they purchased it doesn't care (Groupees and Indie Gala, for instance)? Doesn't that take a lot of your own mental energy unnecessarily?

In truth, I suppose you answered that, since you seem to consider it piracy. I see it as gifting a paid-for extraneous item. To make it clear, I have never done this nor would I unless the key were for a game I already paid for in another venue. In other words, it would have to be an extra copy, not just something I received in a bundle that I didn't like.

I guess we simply view it differently, and I was simply curious why you would spend mental energy on something that even Groupees and Indie Gala haven't expended energy on. I doubt it would take much time and resources to type up a EULA or buyer agreement much like HB and IR have if they wanted to do so.

Pax
Well, it is not a matter of spending mental energy - in this is it is more a matter of spending the energy considering where the keys are from and if I should bother with it, which is usually very little. The feeling of not liking something, or being displeased with something, I am not sure if it takes mental energy at all. Unless you are staring to communicate / verbalise the reasons for this feelings, then it works on a different level.

But yes, you are right, I do consider the approach unethical and immoral in principle, which is the reason for my feelings. I am aware of them, so I do not spend mental energy on them anymore either, mostly only when replying and justifying myself. The rest is becoming just as much a force of habit :)

You could also argue that I do not spend my mental energy on the Groupees, Bundle Star and IG giveaways, but only on those from IR and HB. The only reason I did post in this thread was due to jamyskis, if he had not done what he did, I would not have bothered posting here.

Does this answers the question?
To be honest I never realised it was a talking point when giving Steam keys away. I bought 2 bundles, picked out the 2 or 3 games I actually wanted and put the rest on here.
Now having been accused of being a dishonest pirate, it's got me thinking. Can someone (amok?) please explain exactly what I have done that is wrong, please? Thanks :)
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Old_Speccer: To be honest I never realised it was a talking point when giving Steam keys away. I bought 2 bundles, picked out the 2 or 3 games I actually wanted and put the rest on here.
Now having been accused of being a dishonest pirate, it's got me thinking. Can someone (amok?) please explain exactly what I have done that is wrong, please? Thanks :)
First of all - since Bundle Stars do not mind, and this is so legally grey, then I can not consider what you have done as wrong as such. My beef is with those who do Humble and Indie Royale giveaways, as this is clearly against the sellers wishes, contracts and ToS's.

If you want a legal definition on what you have done might be seen as wrong, though, is that licenses do not follow the keys. This means that Bundle Stars sold you license to play those games, and gave you keys to activate them on Steam. If a third party activates them on Steam, it in a legal way only means that they have access to Steam's services, but do not in fact have the license to play the games, you still own the licenses (even if you no longer have access to the Steam service) if it makes any sense... the whole greyness on this matter is why I do not like giveaways such as these on a personal level. And I feel they should not be on GoG, which is trying to establish a reputation of trusting the customers (DRM free philosophy). SimonG used a term I like to appropriate "Bundle Piracy" for this, and the problem is that it seems much more legitimised than "normal" piracy. (I have no problems with honest pirates, really, but I have a problem with dishonesty.)

However, as stated before, since Bundle Stars do not mind you doing this, then my respect for their wishes takes precedence over my personal feelings and I am not objecting to your giveaway (which I have not done either, I have objected to jamyskis behavior). I have have no problems with you (so far :))