For years, I haven't heard any news regarding Revan after KOTOR2 and now I'm a Level 38 Jedi Consular now and haven't heard of anything about Revan. Seems like the Consular story is crap compared to the Jedi Knight's. So I decided to read up the latest Revan Wookiepedia entry.

So it turns out that Revan, during his journey to the unknown regions with Malak, he encountered a hidden Sith Emperor known as Vitiate who seemed to be created for the sole purpose of TOR and is highly powerful in the ways of the Dark Side of the Force, capable of stripping a Sith Lord out of his powers and sanity at the age of 10 and is roughly 1400 years old. So this Sith Emperor Vitiate mind-dominated both Malak and Revan to acquire the Star Forge to destroy the Republic and we all knew what happened after.

Fast forward to what happened after KOTOR2. Revan went back to the unknown regions to confront the Sith Emperor. He got captured but was freed by the Jedi Exile, Meetra Surik, T3-M4 and Scourge(one of the Sith lord captors who had grew attached to Revan). So the 4 confronted the Emperor. Vitiate tried again to dominate Revan but failed as Revan allowed the Force to flow through him. After some intense fighting, Vitiate projected a strong storm of lightning which Revan attempted to absorb but got owned. T3-M4 tried to save its master and used the flamethrower to incinerate the Emperor, Vitate used his powers to protect himself from the flames and made T3-M4 explode into bits and pieces(RIP). Meetra then engaged the Emperor, while Revan healed up and engaged him. Meetra was betrayed by Scourge(he wanted to survive and wait for the Jedi to slay Vitate) and got killed(RIP). Revan was shocked and got Force Lightning into unconsciousness and taken prisoner.

During his imprisonment, Revan came under continous telepathic assault from the Emperor. He countered and used the assault to make Vitate have doubts about attacking the Republic for 300 years. So in TOR, in the level 30+ instance, as the Republic: you free Revan from his prison who goes to a place called The Foundry and starts making an army of droids to defeat the Sith Emperor and the Empire. And in the Empire's storyline, you, as in you and a bunch of 3 level-30 nobodies, inflitrate the Foundry under orders of the Emperor, kill off HK-47(ARGH!!!) and defeat Revan who disappears in a flash of light. And nobody knows what happens to him, whether he is dead or he just teleported somewhere else.

Do you think Bioware is that dumb to kill of the favourite, main characters in the game that quick or they plan to bring them back somehow. Because to me HK-47 looks dead in the video or maybe he's just faking it and handling out the loot to the Sith meatbags?

The Revan story is covered in the Sith version of The Foundry. I'm told the Exile plays a role in the Republic version; no spoilers, please!

As for HK-47, it's mentioned twice that he can be rebuilt, so it is very likely we'll see him again. I think I heard that he's made EU appearances as late as the era of the original trilogy, too, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Thing is why is Revan, one of the most powerful and popular Jedi/Sith, a level 35 boss defeated by a bunch of mid-level nobodies.

I thought WoW's constant butchery of their most powerful characters is atrocious blasphemy itself already. But at least in WoW, they're full-fledged raid bosses or the expansion pack's end-bosses which require 25-40 men to beat.

To paraphrase Arnie... "He'll be back"

Yeah, he'll be back for you to defeat again in Foundry Hard Mode, over and over and over and... But I don't think he's dead. Bioware Austin couldn't be that stupid (I hope).

Wow... that sounds as terrible as this: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/01/25

Is all the writing in the Star Wars universe that bad? I read the Thrawn novels years ago and thought they were pretty good. I never have read any of the others.

As it stands, it would take an entire server to get that many people together :p Seriously, finding a group of 4 is a nightmare already - to make a group of 40? Forget it.

There's the official movie plot and stories, the Expanded Universe novels, the story written to for The Old Republic, the story for KOTOR, the story from Force Unleashed etc etc. As time passes on, they seem to jam more and more stuff into the Star Wars Universe so long as they have the permission to, unlike highly protected IPs like Lord of the Rings. I only seem to want to take the official movies, EU and maybe stuff with believable good stories like KOTOR seriously, otherwise I don't wanna bother.
Stuff that happened in The Force Unleashed I guess I don't really care. Not sure what to think about the TOR story, like when this extremely powerful Sith Emperor came out of nowhere to form the backstory and the bridge for TOR and KOTOR. And since he is 1400 years old, he's inserted into the timeline of Marka Ragnos all the sudden, feels surreal in a bad way.

Not that I have read the novels or am an expert, I only read the Chronological History book and the entries on Wookiepedia but the EU has alot of interesting stories. From the Ancient Sith/Jedi wars to the Old Republic to Emperor's Palpatine's resurrection and his display of his epic Dark powers to the invasion of Yuuzhan Vong etc.

Oh btw, you see that badass bald Sith Lord, Darth Malgus in all the 3 TOR trailers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3OZfSS2Dpw&feature=fvst



*SPOILER*
He's a level 50 instance boss who gets defeated by 4 nobodies. But is most likely not killed. I'm more concerned about Raven than him though since he appeared only in TOR and I don't really like his style.




*SPOILER* 40 is easy in WoW :D However, I'm in a guild then, so we did raid runs as a guild. The guild leaders just set the raid days and time.

Yeah, I'm having trouble with doing group quests too in TOR. Mainly because the US folks are sleeping when I'm at the opposite side of the globe playing and I'm playing alone unlike WoW where I play with friends. I'm playing TOR more for its singleplayer really. :D And I wait till I'm 10 levels higher before I solo the flashpoints in TOR.

I'll admit to having read a bit of the Expanded Universe - though I've long since stopped as I felt the ones set in the post-movie era were starting to get a bit repetitive even for just-for-fun novels (i.e. the stories were just excuses to reuse the same old characters). The Yuuzhan Vong story was actually interesting I felt, though uneven since the stories were written by different authors who had ... varying levels of talent. But overall there were some interesting plots & ideas and some solid military SF stories set in the Star Wars universe. The Timothy Zahn novels (Thrawn + Hand of Thrawn novels) are a cut above most of the rest.

The Thrawn books are all good, and they're set early enough post-movie, and they were written early enough, that they're mostly free of the shenanigans and foolishness that's plagued a lot of the EU stuff. They're my favorite of the books, and are generally accepted to be the best-written ones... though Thrawn himself ends up being a bit of a Mary Sue, but it's less irritating because he's the villain rather than the protagonist.

The only other EU books I genuinely enjoyed were the Corellian Trilogy, which take place much later (Han & Leia have kids) but were still written relatively early. They novels aren't as well-known, but they take a star system that's only mentioned briefly EVER (even though it's Han's home) and flesh it out. And they're largely devoid of the silliness that the EU has become infamous for, though they do have their moments, heh.

The Jedi Academy books are downright terrible, though, and they introduced all sorts of horrible continuity problems, and introduced a whole host of HATED recurring characters. They even had to write an entire book just to retcon and explain away all the stuff the author had messed up. From what I've heard of the more recent (2000+) EU stuff, this is more along the lines of the standard quality. So the Penny Arcade comic is pretty accurate.

The lead writer for the KOTOR games, Drew Karpyshyn, published an EU book entitled Revan, just released within the last month or so. It is supposed to explain what happened to him in the Unknown Regions when he disappeared after the first game. I'm only about a third of the way through the book and so far it is half decent.

Well, they already set the canon revan as lightside/male and canon exile as lightside/female, so to answer your question, I don't really think Bioware is concerned with how much of a fan favorite the character is, since they already told a large portion of the palyers that their playthroughs didn't count. Also, from what I have read of the 'Revan' book that came out, they aren't even that concerned with internal consistancy, as it retcons soem things about the exile and has a somewhat lackluster showing by Revan and the Exile. Just think of TOR as being set in an alternate timeline/universe with a Revan cameo. The game might as well be already for its retcons, art shift, genre shift, setting shift, and general lack of relavency to the first two games (IMO).

Yes, asothers said, Thrawn novels are probably the best of EU stuff. Some books are outright terrible while a lot is meh, some are OK and only few I read I really enjoyed thoroughly.

Bioware didn't actually make those decisions, though. Revan was canonically set as lightside male by Lucas himself, while the Exile was set as lightside female by the tie-in novel. Bioware's just working with what they're given. However, I find the entire "and basically nothing changed" setup just abominable. The entire content of those games was totally trivialized by TOR. Even with all of the secret-sith-emperor garbage, Revan and the Exile essentially accomplished nothing other than the destruction of Malak. It's a shame, they had such a good foundation to work with...

Well, to be fair, KoTOR 2 *did* let you choose the gender and alignment of the PC from KoTOR 1 through dialogue in the asteroid level, canon or not. With a precedent like that set by it's predecessor, there really aren't any *good* reasons for them doing so. But as you pointed out, it's kinda pointless regardless, since they trivialized the players actions in every other concievable way. They might as well have just completely detatched it from the KoTOR series for all the relavency it has to the previous games, that way old timers who liked the first two games don't have excuses to grumble about plot continuity or ruining characters, and the game could better stand on its own merits and demerits. I think Bioware wanted the extra sales from being associated with KoTOR though, which is why we got what we got. A shame, really. Plot inconsistancies/genre shifts/etc really turn me off sequels, especially if they make the actions of the player in the previous game inconsequential. For similar reasons I really can't get into Skyrim (or Oblivion) becuause they are so wildly different from Morrowind, and aren't terribly faithful as sequels, even if they are decent enough games on their own.