Yea I think I remember that. Here's the text: I read that quote as, "We plan to have the game finished February, and we've submitted it to GOG in the hope of them distributing it on their site." It's sort of ambiguously written, probably because Presto wanted people to keep voting and give a higher chance for a GOG release. I agree with your outlook that the game probably needed more testing and tweaking before GOG would approve it - hence the situation not simply boiling down to a choice of the rights holder to put the game on GOG, as was suggested by the OP. It's pretty clear that Presto is doing everything they can to achieve GOG's acceptance of JP1, as it's the most logical place for them to sell the game.

Always do.

That is specious reasoning. One does not necessitate the other. . . That's been my point- always has been.

If this were true than one would imagine games like Torchlight II would be here- see that's EXACTLY why I mentioned it earlier.

You're putting words into my mouth, I think. Everything I've said was in direction relation to The Journeyman Project: Pegasus Prime. I can't be held to blame if you read more into what I wrote.

They shouldn't have said anything if a deal hadn't already been made. To do otherwise is grossly unprofessional.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

I'm not so sure.

Nice try. Your point was that completing a series wasn't a motivation since GOG sells other incomplete series, and that the rights holder is the deciding factor. It's been explained that this is not always the case - GOG turns games down. For some odd reason you refuse to acknowledge this.

You're moving goal posts and conflating two disparate issues. I said if a rights holder wants a game on GOG, then GOG essentially has the final say. If GOG wants to sell game but the rights holder isn't interested, the rights holder has the final say. Torchlight II isn't here because Runic isn't interested in selling the game on GOG. So no, using the example of TL2 does not support what you claimed earlier.

No, I used two examples to show why your logic was faulty and how you were neglecting cases where the rights holder did not have final say. That is not putting words in your mouth.

It has yet to be seen whether the game is coming to GOG or not. I lean toward yes, but it doesn't look like the release is finalized yet, possibly due to testing/bugs or other unknown issues. It's pretty obvious Presto wants to sell the game on GOG and have asking people to vote on the wishlist for nearly one year. If JP1 doesn't come here it will have been GOG's decision, not Presto's.

Irrelevant to the truth.

The first factor stopping any game from appearing anywhere is whether the individual or company in control of it's rights wants it to. My point was that simply because a series is missing games does not mean that Good Old Game staffers are working tirelessly around the clock to complete them- which is why games like Torchlight II are relevant to this discussion. Your point, it seemed to me, was that a series is missing games therefore it HAS to come to Good Old Games- that was the logic I took issue with.

I don't believe I made a claim otherwise.

You took what I said and twisted it to fit your argument.

And yet they said, in no uncertain terms, that it was and gave a time frame. If they hadn't reached a deal yet then they were speaking out of turn and being grossly unprofessional.


Lastly, I'm REALLY not interested in going back and forth with you over such a completely pointless issue. So, let's just let this die- shall we?

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Do show me where I suggested or implied this - that's quite a leap you took from the following:

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You said,

in response to the prior discussion. So yes, you did claim TL2 would be on GOG if completing game series mattered, which was a straw man rebuttal. You read far too deeply and incorrectly into one simple comment I made.

No, I took what you said and responded to it directly. You completely twisted what I wrote and derailed the discussion.

The developer's multiple statements are ambiguously worded on the side of optimism.

When you misrepresent what I've said, respond with straw men to things I haven't said, ignore what I have explained multiple times, and try to counter-accuse me of things like "specious reasoning" as a way of muddying the discussion, I'm going to correct the fallacies.

And yes, I'll leave it at that.

For some reason the site won't let me quote you properly so I'll muddle through as best I can. Please do me the courtesy of bearing with me.

mondo84: Do show me where I suggested or implied this - that's quite a leap you took from the following:
mondo84: Anyway, it would make sense for GOG to bring the game here and complete the trilogy.
It seemed to me this was the point of your argument.

mondo84: You said, in response to the prior discussion. So yes, you did claim TL2 would be on GOG if completing game series mattered, which was a straw man rebuttal. You read far too deeply and incorrectly into one simple comment I made.
And I stand by this claim- if Good Old Games is hell bent on completing all the series this would be the case. But it doesn't seem to be because, as we've both pointed out, there are numerous factors beyond their control.

mondo84:No, I took what you said and responded to it directly. You completely twisted what I wrote and derailed the discussion.
You derailed the discussion when you started arguing.

mondo84:The developer's multiple statements are ambiguously worded on the side of optimism.
Their F.A.Q. is in NO WAY ambiguous. I even linked to it & quoted it earlier in this thread.

mondo84:When you misrepresent what I've said, respond with straw men to things I haven't said, ignore what I have explained multiple times, and try to counter-accuse me of things like "specious reasoning" as a way of muddying the discussion, I'm going to correct the fallacies. And yes, I'll leave it at that.
I haven't misrepresented anything. It's possible I misinterpreted. Further, I haven't responded to anything you haven't said as that would be impossible. . .

You are guilty of specious reasoning- accept this and learn from it. Lastly, I sincerely hope you can leave it- but I remain doubtful.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

No, it wasn't. You twisted and misinterpreted it as the following: The underlined parts were never remotely implied, yet you based your entire responses against these falsely projected arguments and persist in doing so despite everything else that's been explained.

You keep oddly arguing against GOG being "hell bent on completing all the series" as if the concept were postulated (it wasn't). That is the core flaw of everything you've written.

No. I responded to your post and clarified your misinterpretations.

The way it's worded isn't certain. Note that I didn't say there isn't a deal - I think it's likely, but the point is that it hasn't been outright confirmed - that FAQ entry even includes a link to the wishlist entry at GOG. Furthermore, submitting the game to GOG does not mean that GOG has actually approved it. An example of this was explained, and I'll even give you a direct link.

I brought this up because, again, you claimed that the rights holders have final say over games being sold on GOG. There are many examples, known and unknown, in which GOG refused to sell a game. So, the rights holder is obviously not always the deciding factor. In the case of JP1, if that were the case the devs wouldn't have continued to need wish list votes.

And you may misinterpret this as me saying I don't think the game will come to GOG, which would be wrong. I think JP1 will arrive here, but it's not cut and dry. If GOG doesn't think the game is up to par, for whatever reason (e.g. technical), they may not accept it. If/when the game does arrive, spare me the "told you so" because I'm not saying it won't come ever to GOG...

It's not impossible at all - your posts show this. You've repeatedly misinterpreted my points and used this as a form of argument instead of responding to what I actually said (and clarified over and over). Again, straw man.

LOL, this gave me a good laugh. You've tried to use that term against me multiple times because I used it to illustrate your misconceptions. Now it just seems silly, alongside the other jabs in those last words. You are free to prolong this fruitless discussion with more of the same, though.

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It's quite relevant. GOG is the only place to sell JP 2 and 3 digitally. Of course they'd be interested to complete a game series that enthusiasts would buy. Add in the shrinking pool of classic games that can be negotiated for distribution, and you have motivation for GOG to sell JP1.

This is what I was responding to. This responds to your first two issues.

And derailed the entire thread by doing so. Nothing since has been accomplished in this thread but pointless bickering which you agreed to to stop doing.

The F.A.Q. says the game will be released on Good Old Games in February of 2014. You're right that REAKS of ambiguity.

This is such a ridiculous line of reasoning. Unless one is privy to the inner workings of these deals it's not possible to say who has the final say. In this case one can't happen without the other.

Eh, I would never say you said it wouldn't be released here because you didn't and even if you did I would not be so petty as to mock you after the fact.

I always respond to what you said and given the way this site quote system works- it ain't easy. The contention of who has say in what gets released is fruitless & pointless. Who cares? Unless I'm missing something there is nothing else in contention here. . . Also, rereading this discussion I NEVER said Good Old Games doesn't have a say in what's released yet you've repeatedly claimed I did.

See, the hostility there. . . Please let this thread die. Seriously, if you keep coming back and arguing more you just look like a troll, especially as your recent posts are becoming more and more argumentative.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Actual news time! Presto is in the home stretch for the Linux version, and should have that ready soon. As for the Windows version (and GOG release), well... getting the Linux version done and out the door appears to have taken top priority, they still have to get around to fixing the bugs found in the Windows release.

Thanks for the update, Gibbeynator

Thanks for the information!

https://www.facebook.com/TheJourneymanProject/posts/10152283669003407?stream_ref=10

The Windows version is done, good to go, heading off to the printers for physical editions. Digital version is currently slated for the end of March. This is the fourth projected release date, will they make it this time?