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Posted July 17, 2013
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I bought this week's Humble Bundle, but only for Nethergate, Escape for the Pit and the Hint and Art Books, since I already own the other games here on GOG.

I know it's Humble Bundles policy to not gift individual games, but I don't see the harm in gifting the games I already own.
My dilemma is that individual games can't be gifted (and well, what I wrote above xD). Only the whole page. And I'd like some people to get to know the games I already own.

That means I have two options:
1) Gifting the STEAM keys of the games I already own
2) Just claiming the page for myself and hogging all the games :D

So, this is up to you guys. What do you think about this? Should I gift them? Let me hear your opinions and if I decide this isn't (too :D) morally wrong, I'll gift the Steam keys for:
1) The Second Avernum Trilogy
2) The Geneforge Saga
3) Avadon: The Black Fortress

Requirements for the (maybe non-existant giveaway :D) are:
1) 20+ Rep or registered since Sep 2012 (and at least 5 rep)
2) Write your opinion
3) Write if you're in or not and the game(s) you are in for
4)If this giveaway takes place, there'll be 3 winners, so remember to write the games in order of preference!
(remember, you'll get the STEAM keys!)

Oh, and please remain civil :)
Post edited July 17, 2013 by Reever
Posted July 17, 2013
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Reever: And I'd like some people to get to know the games I already own.
Spiderweb's free demos for all their games are huge. Something like ten hours of content in each. I realize that you may mean 'get to know in their entirety'. All I'm saying is that anyone can become quite familiar with the worlds of Avernum, Avadon, Nethergate, and Geneforge via demo.

Yes, I'm dodging the argument. Good luck with this, Reever!
Posted July 17, 2013
Not entering, but thanks and +1.
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Reever: 1) The Avernum Saga (+ Blades of Avernum)
Wouldn't this be a Steam key only for the second trilogy? Only Avernum 4-6 are on Steam and my key page just says "The Second Avernum Trilogy Steam Key"...


My thoughts are that if you already have the games, feel free to share, but then, it's also their policy not to... so yeah dilemma. Glad I could help there. :)
Post edited July 17, 2013 by adambiser
Posted July 17, 2013
Fair Reever, I knew him well...


Not in but +1
Posted July 17, 2013
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Reever: And I'd like some people to get to know the games I already own.
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grimwerk: Spiderweb's free demos for all their games are huge. Something like ten hours of content in each. I realize that you may mean 'get to know in their entirety'. All I'm saying is that anyone can become quite familiar with the worlds of Avernum, Avadon, Nethergate, and Geneforge via demo.

Yes, I'm dodging the argument. Good luck with this, Reever!
Yeah, I know, I downloaded them myself to try out Avernum! But still, the full game is something else :)
Guess you're not in then? :D
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adambiser: Not entering, but thanks and +1.
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Reever: 1) The Avernum Saga (+ Blades of Avernum)
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adambiser: Wouldn't this be a Steam key only for the second trilogy? Only Avernum 4-6 are on Steam and my key page just says "The Second Avernum Trilogy Steam Key"...

My thoughts are that if you already have the games, feel free to share, but then, it's also their policy not to... so yeah dilemma. Glad I could help there. :)
Ah, damn it, you're right, I just assumed the first trilogy is available on Steam as well. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!!
And I already know that other people are giving it away and some people agree with it and some don't, but I just wanted to see what people think again ;)

Will just bump this now and the next few days, if nobody wants the games, well, the thing has resolved itself :D
Post edited July 17, 2013 by Reever
Posted July 17, 2013
If you already own the games, it's like buying a second copy of the games, isn't it? I find it totally okay. That's just my two cents, anyway :)

Thanks for the giveaway! Count me in for The Second Avernum Trilogy and Avadon: The Black Fortress, in that order please. I already have them, but I know a friend whom I just gifted Geneforge Saga to that would love them!
Posted July 17, 2013
Good luck with your moral dilemma... I have no advice as such as this is yours to do as you feel is right. Personally however I tend to believe if only one copy of the game will ever be in use (I don't just mean concurrent, I mean actually even installed) then gifting it is not morally wrong. If you think there is a chance that you will download and install the humble bundle copy then gifting it is not so right. Real grey area overall!

What I will say is that if at the end you have an Avadon key still without a good home I can make sure it is well looked after :)
Posted July 17, 2013
Well, from an ethical standpoint I see nothing wrong with the idea, as long as you yourself don't use those games, and the amount you paid for the bundle reflected that you were getting more games and would give some away. From a legal standpoint, you could work around the policy by buying two copies of the bundle (which I'm assuming is pay what you want, as usual? I can't see it for some reason) for half the price each time. Then you could use one bundle for yourself (having paid what you think Nethergate, Escape From the Pit and the hint and art books to be worth, and set none of the money to go to the other games if they were made by a different company), and just never activate the games that you didn't pay for in that bundle. You could then buy the second bundle for what you think the other games are worth (which, obviously, should mean you'd paid the same amount as you have done in reality in total), give away those keys that you didn't use in the first bundle, and ignore the rest of it. There you are: you've gifted someone else part of a bundle, not used the other part yourself, and bought a bundle for yourself which you haven't used all of.

If some of the games were only available beyond a certain price, things get more dubious, though assuming that all the 'minimum price' games were either ones you wanted yourself or ones you're giving away, then you could just pay the full price for one bundle and a tiny amount for the other, and give them away as I said above. That may be rather against the spirit of the thing, though.

Either way, not in, as I'm still working my way through the Geneforge series.
Post edited July 17, 2013 by pi4t
Posted July 17, 2013
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Reever: Guess you're not in then? :D
Aye, I'm not in, thank you.

And I'm still dodging. Though I do think aagh nope nothing.
Posted July 17, 2013
I don't qualify for your giveaway but thought I'd share my opinion as it were.

Sure, there is the ethical dilemma of HB keys as that seems to be a hot topic of late on these forums. But putting that aside for the minute, your question basically comes down to what people have and what they don't have. And to a lesser degree whether they want it or not.

Obviously, those who see this post, don't have the games and want the chance to win the games are gonna say yes, gift them. Those who see this post, already have them or don't care for them are either not gonna bother posting at all or may actually come in and say it doesn't matter/don't do it. Those who don't have them, don't know what they are but see free games are also gonna say gift them.
And of course, as mentioned earlier, HB keys are kind of a hot topic on the forums lately so there will be those who don't want to get involved so they won't post at all.

Personally speaking, I have the games you're mentioning from a previous bundle and even if I was eligible, I'd say no, don't gift. But if you had thrown Escape from the Pit into the mix, then I'd start to waver and may change my answer as that's one I don't have and do want.

So, in the end, your question is not going to give you a true measure of what the people who do read this thread actually want. You're going to get close to 100% yes from those who want to win these games, less than 50% response from those who don't and 0% response from those who have an opinion but don't want to get involved. Its going to be your decision anyhow so good luck :).

P.S. Funny thing, if you'd straight up made a giveaway, judging from my observations with other giveaways, you'd already have 40-50 yes's. But as it isn't a giveaway yet, 10 hours later, you only have 10 posts and most are comments w/o an answer for you. Something I noticed.
Post edited July 17, 2013 by Jeets2
Posted July 18, 2013
If you already bought the game elsewhere, you are purchasing a second copy. So no problem with me to give it away (like I've done several time in ninja thread)

I'm no longer in btw! ;)
Post edited July 18, 2013 by Recsam511
Posted July 18, 2013
@ JohnWalrus & saramakos: Thanks for your opinions!
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pi4t: Well, from an ethical standpoint I see nothing wrong with the idea, as long as you yourself don't use those games, and the amount you paid for the bundle reflected that you were getting more games and would give some away. From a legal standpoint, you could work around the policy by buying two copies of the bundle (which I'm assuming is pay what you want, as usual? I can't see it for some reason) for half the price each time. Then you could use one bundle for yourself (having paid what you think Nethergate, Escape From the Pit and the hint and art books to be worth, and set none of the money to go to the other games if they were made by a different company), and just never activate the games that you didn't pay for in that bundle. You could then buy the second bundle for what you think the other games are worth (which, obviously, should mean you'd paid the same amount as you have done in reality in total), give away those keys that you didn't use in the first bundle, and ignore the rest of it. There you are: you've gifted someone else part of a bundle, not used the other part yourself, and bought a bundle for yourself which you haven't used all of.

If some of the games were only available beyond a certain price, things get more dubious, though assuming that all the 'minimum price' games were either ones you wanted yourself or ones you're giving away, then you could just pay the full price for one bundle and a tiny amount for the other, and give them away as I said above. That may be rather against the spirit of the thing, though.

Either way, not in, as I'm still working my way through the Geneforge series.
Thanks, yeah, I think that would be the best solution. At least you can just gift the whole extra bundle (albeit without the locked games, if you paid the least amount). The problem is just, I don't have an unlimited budget for games and I justify this more like JohnWalrus and saramakos said! But I'll keep what you said in mind! And have fun with the Geneforge series!

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Jeets2: I don't qualify for your giveaway but thought I'd share my opinion as it were.

Sure, there is the ethical dilemma of HB keys as that seems to be a hot topic of late on these forums. But putting that aside for the minute, your question basically comes down to what people have and what they don't have. And to a lesser degree whether they want it or not.

Obviously, those who see this post, don't have the games and want the chance to win the games are gonna say yes, gift them. Those who see this post, already have them or don't care for them are either not gonna bother posting at all or may actually come in and say it doesn't matter/don't do it. Those who don't have them, don't know what they are but see free games are also gonna say gift them.
And of course, as mentioned earlier, HB keys are kind of a hot topic on the forums lately so there will be those who don't want to get involved so they won't post at all.

Personally speaking, I have the games you're mentioning from a previous bundle and even if I was eligible, I'd say no, don't gift. But if you had thrown Escape from the Pit into the mix, then I'd start to waver and may change my answer as that's one I don't have and do want.

So, in the end, your question is not going to give you a true measure of what the people who do read this thread actually want. You're going to get close to 100% yes from those who want to win these games, less than 50% response from those who don't and 0% response from those who have an opinion but don't want to get involved. Its going to be your decision anyhow so good luck :).

P.S. Funny thing, if you'd straight up made a giveaway, judging from my observations with other giveaways, you'd already have 40-50 yes's. But as it isn't a giveaway yet, 10 hours later, you only have 10 posts and most are comments w/o an answer for you. Something I noticed.
You'd be eligible, since you have 41 Rep :)
And I am aware of the risk, but I myself have observed that the people around here usually do share their opinions, even if they like to have the game in question (go look in the Steam gift thread, there's a Valve games giveaway and some people aren't entering because they have too many of the games. Of course, there are probably people who aren't that considerate, the point still stands though).

And I do think they answered my question! As for your last observations, I think many people might have enough of this, because I've seen this kind of discussions in almost all the HB giveaway threads, only here where it is specifically asked, they aren't that eager, it seems! :D
And there are probably many people who have the games already....
Thanks for chiming in =)
Posted July 18, 2013
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HB codes are intended for personal use only, so I would say hog all the games.

For one thing, their offers are bundles, after all, and you wouldn't be able to get these games separately for whatever it was that you paid. To quote their FAQ: "Please consider your bundle a 'unit'."
Second... At the end of the day, "Each purchase is intended for use by one individual" is a pretty concrete message, and I'm sure its Terms of Service equivalent doesn't offer any wiggle room for exceptions.
Posted July 18, 2013
Not in, but thanks and +1 for your generosity, Reever!

About your question, I don't re-gift the Steam keys included in bundles which have been gifted to me, as I think the developers provide them as a mean of spreading the sales (if they only give Steam keys, it would be a no-go for people not willing to use that platform, like me, and if they only provide Desura or DRM installers, another people wouldn't buy the bundle because they want Steam. If the developers offer the three options, they'll obtain more sales).

Indeed, I don't enter GAs whose prize is a bundle in which one or several of the games are only Steam, because I'm not going to play them, whilst other forum members could enjoy all the games in the bundle.

But I don't have any problem (I'm talking about my personal ethic, not about legal interpretations and ToS) with someone (as in your case) splitting a bundle to re-gift the games he already own or he isn't interested in.
Post edited July 18, 2013 by Thespian*
Posted July 18, 2013
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Jeets2: Obviously, those who see this post, don't have the games and want the chance to win the games are gonna say yes, gift them. Those who see this post, already have them or don't care for them are either not gonna bother posting at all or may actually come in and say it doesn't matter/don't do it. Those who don't have them, don't know what they are but see free games are also gonna say gift them.
Then there are those whose moral compass isn't exclusively controlled by what benefits them personally the most (yes, such people do exist). Firek's post sums it up pretty well, I have nothing further to add.
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