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Mohdar: I have Dawn of War 2 + Chaos Rising, and i can say one thing - game was very fun but it's basicaly a hack and slash game, not a RTS like the first one.
I enjoyed it very much, but you could always try the demo that is on Steam, to check it out for yourself.
DoW 2 is an RTT, and it does the RTT part competently enough. I would hardly claim that it is a hack & slash game.

That being said, I never did finish the DoW2 campaign, it got awfully repetitive after a while, with very little in the way of mission variety. The game could have been a lot more fun if they just added some more mission types to it, but as the game works, you need to create your own variety by using different squads for each mission. Overall I did not find DoW2 to be a game worth playing, at least not in single player.
(I do by the way usually like RTTs, and I love the 40k setting)
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Whitecroc: To Warhammer is my vote. DoW2 is incredible fun - according to Steam I'm well over 100 hours /played combined on all three games. The Last Stand is strangely addictive.
I got 153 hours, I WIN! And the best part is that I never really played anything but campaign :D
Enough praises!

It's like finding out you have diabetes and see people swimming in a pile of delicious candy. notsurewhattoplaynow
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Profanity: notsurewhattoplaynow
Well duh, Outcast, obviously.
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Profanity: Enough praises!

It's like finding out you have diabetes and see people swimming in a pile of delicious candy. notsurewhattoplaynow
Jagged alliance 2.


(Well, it is a tactical game, so roughly in the same genre, and it is one of the best games ever made, probably THE best tactical game ever made).


Or if you still want to play a 40k game, Chaos gate or Rites of War.
Post edited February 06, 2012 by AFnord
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AFnord: Jagged alliance 2.
Shut yer yap, he'll play Outcast! There's simply no other way!
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AFnord: Jagged alliance 2.
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Fenixp: Shut yer yap, he'll play Outcast! There's simply no other way!
Outcast looks really strange, what's fun about it?

It's slightly easier to see the appeal of Jagged Alliance 2. D:
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Whitecroc: To Warhammer is my vote. DoW2 is incredible fun - according to Steam I'm well over 100 hours /played combined on all three games. The Last Stand is strangely addictive.
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Fenixp: I got 153 hours, I WIN! And the best part is that I never really played anything but campaign :D
I don't think so....
468 hours so far over the 3 games.
;-}
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Fenixp: Shut yer yap, he'll play Outcast! There's simply no other way!
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Profanity: Outcast looks really strange, what's fun about it?

It's slightly easier to see the appeal of Jagged Alliance 2. D:
Outcast is one of the all time greatest action/adventure games. It had a large open landscape, wonderful settings, interesting characters and competent controls. It was beautiful at the time of release, and there is a fan patch out there that improves upon the visuals a fare bit, and the music was hailed as some of the best at its time, performed by the Moscow symphony orchestra (and it shows). Just Listen to it.

But with all that said, you still want to play Jagged Alliance 2 :P
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Whitecroc: To Warhammer is my vote. DoW2 is incredible fun - according to Steam I'm well over 100 hours /played combined on all three games. The Last Stand is strangely addictive.
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Fenixp: I got 153 hours, I WIN! And the best part is that I never really played anything but campaign :D
267 hours in DoW2 and another 161 in Retribution :P
What did I win?
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Fenixp: I got 153 hours, I WIN! And the best part is that I never really played anything but campaign :D
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klaymen: 267 hours in DoW2 and another 161 in Retribution :P
What did I win?
Nothing!
I beat you!
119 - DoW2
113 - Chaos Rising
246 - Retribution.
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Fenixp: Shut yer yap, he'll play Outcast! There's simply no other way!
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Profanity: Outcast looks really strange, what's fun about it?

It's slightly easier to see the appeal of Jagged Alliance 2. D:
Well... Yeah, but everyone and their mother knows JA2.

Basically, have you ever watched StarGate? Well that's what Outcast is. The game throws you into an alien environment (where everyone speaks english, obviously. It's explained later on thou), which is up to you to explore, get to know, and do what you want within it. And the best thing is, there are many places you can visit, connected via gates (teleport thingy), and all those locations are vast, completely different, and there are a lot of quests to do and hidden stuff to find. And another thing: The game is NOT an RPG, it's actually a thitd person shooter, so you don't have to collect experience and whatnot, you can just focus on completing the pretty nicely written main questline. Or you can just roam around.

Oh, and listen to the music, damnit!

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AFnord: But with all that said, you still want to play Jagged Alliance 2 :P
Well... You probably do actually, but more people should know about Outcast! And it's really pretty with the patch (it comes with installer, pretty much hassle-free)
Post edited February 06, 2012 by Fenixp
The screenshot give a pretty horrible impression of the game, the video with gameplay + music looks rather smooth and dashing.

Also, nope, I do not know JA2. I'm rather young person and have almost none nostalgic feelings towards old games, except Diablo and Doom, because I used to watch my dad play it when I was very little. When I finally tried Doom, also as a very little kid, got scared shitless after I died and that horrific death animation and sound came up.

Anyway, Outcast just became my next buy. Now I'll either hope for a sale, or finally won't be able to take it and just buy the damn thing. We'll see.
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Profanity: The screenshot give a pretty horrible impression of the game, the video with gameplay + music looks rather smooth and dashing.

Also, nope, I do not know JA2. I'm rather young person and have almost none nostalgic feelings towards old games, except Diablo and Doom, because I used to watch my dad play it when I was very little. When I finally tried Doom, also as a very little kid, got scared shitless after I died and that horrific death animation and sound came up.

Anyway, Outcast just became my next buy. Now I'll either hope for a sale, or finally won't be able to take it and just buy the damn thing. We'll see.
Jagged Alliance 2 is one of the most well crafted turnbased tactical games ever created. You are sent into a country ruled by an evil dictator (cliche, I know), as a mercenary. Your job is to free the country, and restore prosperity. What sets the game apart are several things actually. In order to save the country you need to hire mercenaries, all with their own skills and prefferences (the better ones are more expensive). These will get better over time, depending on what they do (if they shoot a lot, they will get better at aiming, if they use first aid kits a lot, they will get better at first aid and so on). To get money, you need to gather support from the people, by liberating towns. These will in turn generate revenue for you (or more specifically their mines will), which you can then use to hire new mercenaries, pay for the ones you already have (they don't work for a one time lump sum, they want continuous payment for their hard work), train militias, which is used for defending towns (Queen Dedriana won't sit idly by as you take over her territory, she will send out soldiers to undo your hard work). There are also RPG-like quests to be done (though they are rather simple in design), which ranges from helping a guy with an unruly customer, to closing down a factory which employs children.

The meat of the game is its tactical combat though. When you enter a region with enemy soldiers the game will enter turnbased mode. When in turnbased mode there are a lot of things to take into account, like visibility, sound level, cover and so on, and as your soldiers are common humans, they can't take a whole lot of hits before going down (and healing is a slow process), so you need to be careful. You can also impact the environment, shooting a bazooka round at a wall will blow a big hole in it, and also possibly stun the people on the other side, which is not exactly subtle (every enemy on the map will most likely hear you and come running), but it is a viable tactics. Attacking at night is useful if you have the right tools/soldiers for the job, but it can also be a big hindrance (remember, the enemies can use the very same tools against you, so enemies equiped with night vision goggles are quite dangerous at night).
Combat in JA2 is incredibly intense, you care about your soldiers, and mistakes can cost them their lives. You will most likely be at the edge of your seat during enemy turns, hoping that they won't kill your soldiers, that your soldiers are able to react quickly enough when new enemies appear (if a soldier spots an enemy during the enemy's turn, and it has action points left, there is a chance that it is allowed to act, depending on its stats, much like in X-com)

My description does not do JA2 any real justice, the game is expertly crafted, all the way through. My only gripe with it is its graphics.




And darn this thread, now I feel like re-installing Outcast :( (I finished JA2 just recently, and I'm tempted to do another playthrough of that as well)
Post edited February 06, 2012 by AFnord
Crikey!
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