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Ehrenmal: I'm sorry if this is the wrong forum to create this topic. If it is merely pointing me out in the right direction will give you my thanks.

My computer specs are:
Windows 7 x64
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 2.93 GHz
Memory: 4GB
Videocard: ATI Radeon HD 4570.

What I'd like to know is, my video card is definitely outdated, but is it so bad that because of it I get like 15 fps on average?

I guess the question is: Should I upgrade to a new videocard (is this going to allow me to actually play the game) or is it a problem with my processor? - Or perhaps even the motherboard (which I didn't post, I know).

Sorry if this is the wrong forum.
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SJONeill: Bluntly?

Ignoring all the horse-shit advice you are getting?

No. Don't waste a dime.

For anyone to give you real help would require knowing what your set-up was down to the base chipset.

You never thought of those details cos you have never needed to and no one else bothered to ask because they're all perfectly willing to bet your money on their ideals.

Its like a day glo pink plastic only club.

Though... the term 'motherboard' gets you mega plus points... logic board. fuckwits..
This post confuses me. Aren't Logic boards an apple thing? - Not sure if you're insulting me in that last sentence. But thanks for the help, you're right, I would need to be more specific.

Concerning the Video Card issue: This is not a netbook or a laptop or anything like that, the video card is an XFX Radeon HD 4570. Or so it states.

Honestly, this computer wasn't even assembled by me. I tend to be more specific about the things I buy - which isn't to say I know what the hell I'm talking about! It's why I'm trying to learn here.

So far I have 3 options:
- Run a full diagnosis of my machine and then look for complete advice on each and every of the parts, which could be potentially expensive.
-Buy a new PSU and a new Video card.
-Wait for the console version, if any!

Thanks for your advice, guys.
Naah.

Its not an insult at all.

I can't design a car engine or a nice bridge and I know it so I'm not going to try. (and architects and engineers would, quite rightly, point out that I didn't know what I was doing).

The thing is that for some reason people who know computers treat everyone like an engineer and its a mistake ~ its a mindset thing and hard to get out of..

You become 'the computer guy' and then you start to think like him.

Diagnosing your system is actually quite simple and costs (you) nothing.

Click Start
Click Run.
Type "Dxdiag" with no quotes.
Press enter.

Let the program run.

Click 'save all information'.

It will ask you where to save the file.

Save it to your desktop. It should be called dxdiag.txt.

Double click on the text file and it should open in notepad or something.

We would need everything in the System information category and the first 4 lines of display devices and sound devices.
I'm going to continue to dispute your advice long past the point where it is productive to do so. My point is that it you do not need to know everything about the OP's computer, only so much as would make a difference in upgrading. We already know some of that, and dxdiag won't tell us the rest.

Running dxdiag actually tells us very little in this case and omits some of the most important details that you would have to consider when upgrading.

We already know the motherboard has an LGA 775 socket, and the CPU is one of the faster Wolfdales that were made. LGA 775 is obsolete. There are no upgrades for LGA 775 anymore, unless you want to go into the surplus market, where you will overpay and risk getting DOA items. The OP is already at the high end of what he can get without replacing both motherboard and CPU. That's expensive, and the OP is in Mexico, which makes obtaining parts and competent service far more difficult than it would be in the US or the UK. So major upgrades like the motherboard are out of the question even without knowing more.

We already know that the OP has 4GB RAM. More wouldn't help; and even if the motherboard could take faster memory, it would do little good, because the value of RAM is in having enough of it, not whether one technology is fractionally faster than another.

Unless the OP has so little disk space that you can't do a clean defragment, knowing about his disks does absolutely no good either. By this time, we've eliminated all the potential value of running a dxdiag, so forget that recommendation.

What the OP does have is an 80-shader ATI card. XFX did sell a "4570" outside the US. It's an up-clocked 4550 (650 MHz). This is only a fraction of both the stated and the known requirements for running the game.

Everything else that the OP has is already known to be adequate for running the game, somewhere around medium settings and close to 30 fps. In this case, the graphics card is so clearly the weak point that asking for additional information without justification is pointless, and the way you have done so is beyond offensive.

One of the OP's three conclusions is therefore correct. He's going to need a better graphics card, and possibly a better power supply to go with it. What we don't know is what manner of case and power supply he already has -- because there has to be room in the case, and some cases are badly designed such that they can't take full-length cards, and we've already argued the power supply to death.

OP, you'll have to open the case and measure the clearance along the line of where the existing graphics card now sits. There should be at least 26 cm from the back panel to the first obstruction; otherwise, you'll have to consider the length of any replacement card carefully. While you have the case open, you should also look at the power supply. The important items are the make, model, total wattage, and total wattage or current at +12V. If you get the make and the model alone, it's usually possible to look up the rest.

Good recommendations have already been made. Unfortunately, I can't help the OP with the more difficult problem of where he's going to find supply in Mexico.
Post edited May 30, 2011 by cjrgreen
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SJONeill:
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Ehrenmal: So far I have 3 options:
- Run a full diagnosis of my machine and then look for complete advice on each and every of the parts, which could be potentially expensive.
-Buy a new PSU and a new Video card.
-Wait for the console version, if any!
If you want to play the game and your current video card can't handle it, and your PSU can't handle a more recent video card, you could actually decide to go for an older video card. The game runs (in my experience so far, at least) very well on a Radeon 3850. At low graphics of course, but even at low settings, the game looks gorgeous. And a 3 year old card probably shouldn't be too expensive (if you can find it at all of course; no idea how hard that would be). The 3850 is a very power friendly card, so if there's any upgrade that would work with your current PSU, this is it.
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mcv: This is not true. Seasonic makes excellent low-end power supplies. And on any normal PC (not crammed full of power guzzling gear, no SLI/Crossfire setups, etc), 500W is way more than you'll ever need. (In fact, it's always been my impression that it's the 800W PSUs that are completely unable to reach their rated power output. Though obviously they have a bit more leeway.)

I admit I haven't been following developments the last few years, but back when I bought my current PC, 3 years ago, many manufacturers were moving towards lower power consumption, especially Intel CPUs and ATI GPUs, at that time. It's possible that trend has reversed again, though I hope not.

In any case, my PC with E8400, ATI 3850 and two big harddisks works perfectly fine with my 380W Seasonic.
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cjrgreen: Soon as you up that 3850 (75W TDP) to, say, a 5870 (188W TDP), that nice Seasonic will be inadequate. And there will be few replacements capable of the needed 34A or more at 12V under 500W. Nothing from Seasonic short of 500W.
If I upgrade it, I obviously won't be upgrading it to a power hog like that. I believe the 6850 has pretty reasonable power requirements (120W or thereabouts?), though it's still quite a bit higher than my 3850. I'm a bit disappointed that the move towards lower power usage seems to have disappeared.

I think I'll just stick with my 3850 for now. It still performs very well, and even at low settings, The Witcher is the most gorgeous game to ever grace my machine.
As for the Original post. If it is a Desktop, then the E7500 is fine, but could maybe be upgraded to an E8600 or a quad core if the motherboard supported it ( would need the Make and Model # of the Motherboard to determine that. cjrgreen was absolutely dead on point about the PSUs . All PSUs are not equal. A lot of them use inferior parts such as capacitors and such and those are the ones that will blow and take your rig with it. There is a saying with electronics, you get what you pay for, but conversely, you can build a very good budget rig with some careful planning and shopping. The PSU is probably the most over looked and under rated part of the system. You need a good PSU and shouldn't cheap out on that, but there are some good ones at decent prices out there.
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mcv: I'm a bit disappointed that the move towards lower power usage seems to have disappeared.
Power per unit of pixel-crunching has been going down, but there's a furious race to have the card that crunches faster than the other guy's. Clock speed and more shaders eat power. Some designs are even deliberately downclocked to get down to the magic 150W point (that's the power handling capacity of PCI-Express 2, or PCI-Express 1 with a 6-pin auxiliary connector).

Only the mid-range and entry-level cards have reduced power. The high-performance market sacrifices everything else for speed.
Post edited June 02, 2011 by cjrgreen